THANKS, I HATE IT Volume 4 : More Than Two and Fewer Than Many

[00:00:09] All righty, yeah, we're in thanks. I hate it territory now. Yeah, all right

[00:00:14] We're in the part two whoo so I ran across two things this week that I

[00:00:19] Felt warranted further discussion. Okay, the first of which

[00:00:24] Marquez Brownlee on YouTube did a 25 minute breakdown and is entitled the worst product I've ever reviewed

[00:00:31] for now, okay

[00:00:34] essentially he takes a very

[00:00:37] A very even-handed approach. He I mean this guy

[00:00:41] He's also known as MKBHD

[00:00:44] It's called humane's AI pin. This was the thing that he I saw nothing wrong with this review

[00:00:50] I mean sure maybe a little bit of hyperbole the worst product

[00:00:53] I've ever reviewed considering how long he's been doing this and how many different products he's reviewed

[00:00:58] I think if the worst product you're ever gonna review if you're a guy does this on YouTube

[00:01:03] It's probably gonna be something AI related like talking about like the worst fucking smartphone some weird Chinese garba

[00:01:11] Garbage shit that has like a Leica lens in it for some yes or like a branding or Hasselblad

[00:01:18] Those are usually considered to be like some of the worst fucking things or like the new fucking moto. Oh, it's got it's got Brazilian

[00:01:26] zebra would

[00:01:28] Oh

[00:01:31] I've watched a couple of guys videos before when like trying to make consumer product choices in the past

[00:01:37] You feel like he's been fairly pretty pretty a little overly dry, but very analytical. Yeah

[00:01:44] I feel like he's looking at stuff rather even-handedly

[00:01:49] So if he's saying it's dog shit, I mean it has to be dog shit

[00:01:53] Yeah, the creator of this are one of the guys behind it

[00:01:58] Daniel Vassallo here his post is fucking ridiculous

[00:02:01] I find it distasteful almost unethical to say this when you have 18 million subscribers

[00:02:08] Hard to explain why but with great reach comes great responsibility

[00:02:14] Potentially killing someone else's nets and project reeks of carelessness first do no harm

[00:02:21] Okay, first do no harm is the Hippocratic oath that applies to fucking doctors. Let's get out of the way right off the bat

[00:02:28] Reviewers do not have a responsibility to do no harm. Let's just get that out of the way

[00:02:32] But yeah, it's his response was so fucking bizarre

[00:02:36] My favorite thing about all this is of course mark has

[00:02:40] Jumped into the comments. We disagree on what my job is and he's right

[00:02:45] He is that's this is my sticking point

[00:02:48] This is the thing that really got me about this whole interaction is that this guy who works for humane in whatever function that he does

[00:02:54] Is is saying that you know?

[00:02:58] This review which again very even-handed very dry very technical doesn't seem like this guy is going out of his way

[00:03:04] No to trash that seems like he's being pretty honest, right and he's saying well

[00:03:10] You know, this is just unethical like what about this is unethical to you

[00:03:15] Maybe putting him on blast on Twitter is fucking unethical dude

[00:03:19] What the hell the phrase that he used to like the bit about potentially killing someone else's nascent project

[00:03:26] One YouTube reviewer is not gonna kill your nascent project unless you already know

[00:03:32] That your nascent project is bullshit

[00:03:36] so

[00:03:38] Kind of feels like he's wagging the dog a little bit

[00:03:41] I grew up in an age and I'm sure you remember these guys to Ebert and Roper, right? Yeah Ebert bustin fat Ropers

[00:03:49] But you know, you know the guy the guy that when he could no longer eat food

[00:03:55] Had a steak and shake endorsement. Mm-hmm. I think some of the most anger I ever got on

[00:04:02] Twitter that didn't involve very Rose are ruining the election. Oh, okay Disney adults

[00:04:07] Was white tweet at Roger Ebert when he was still alive

[00:04:12] So like you can't eat like real food anymore and I'm sorry about that

[00:04:17] It's just a little weird one in line to get my steak and shake to see these quotes from you on banners

[00:04:22] And just people were fun. I had like you. Yeah responses to that tweet

[00:04:27] I had a similar thing where I kind of slagged off

[00:04:31] Bill Shatner, did you say it's strange that you're letting your career die?

[00:04:34] Did you say it's strange that you're letting your career die just like you did your wife Oh

[00:04:38] No, see that would have at least been funny

[00:04:41] No

[00:04:41] I just really was like I noticed that Bill Shatner was doing a lot of live tweeting about TV as

[00:04:47] though he's got nothing else going on and

[00:04:51] so I said are you supposed to be on set or something like that and

[00:04:55] He quote tweets it with like well somebody please tell this guy what's up and my inundated with which

[00:05:02] Shatner hardcore super fans just dunking on me. It was the same kind of thing like why did I oh, why did I do this?

[00:05:09] Why did I open this Ganna worms don't send Bill Shatner?

[00:05:14] He's in a trailer waiting for his scenes to be called and he's got a TV in there and he's watching

[00:05:21] In CIS this one's really crazy. So the rapist was the guy you saw in the first scene, right?

[00:05:28] Yeah, so it was just like yeah

[00:05:30] What I came to realize later was like yeah, he's got a lot of downtime. He's still working

[00:05:35] He's still doing stuff. He's still you know doing shows and whatever and he's just like no, but I got I got time in the trailer

[00:05:41] But he didn't say that I would be just stacking up like moms. Oh

[00:05:46] Yeah, Shatner. Oh, come on. Absolutely getting like

[00:05:51] Sliz every

[00:05:54] Every day I'm trying to I'm trying to like because there's a grand thesis here about reviewers

[00:05:59] And I'm kind of coming around in this idea because like what's a reviewer's job, right?

[00:06:05] Because I always thought with the Ebert and Roper guys

[00:06:08] Or those kind of guys Jean Shallot whoever you want to use as your reference. I

[00:06:13] always thought

[00:06:15] They're giving you a

[00:06:17] They're honest opinion and be kind of a if you like X

[00:06:22] You might want to be interested in this movie or if this is something that appeals to you

[00:06:26] You might want to go see it that's what I always thought

[00:06:29] But clearly these tech guys think otherwise

[00:06:32] Yeah, so I've done some product reviews before and stuff that was like given in kind

[00:06:38] So stuff that was given like for free. Okay, some camera stuff and

[00:06:42] you know when it's given to you for free and you're talking to like

[00:06:46] PR rep or something

[00:06:48] sure, like I don't necessarily think like it's skews a

[00:06:53] Review positive for me at least it was more like I had to think a little bit more more deeply about the positives

[00:07:00] Sure, because I definitely gave pluses and minuses and I think it was like well

[00:07:04] I got to think a little bit hard even some of the negatives. I kind of maybe even

[00:07:08] Teased out a little bit more

[00:07:10] Than if it was like something I had bought with my money and then have like an obligation

[00:07:14] On some level to like have something to say. Okay, and I feel like there are a lot of

[00:07:19] influencers that do reviews

[00:07:22] that

[00:07:24] They only kind of talk about the positives and the negatives they kind of gloss over or present them not as negatives

[00:07:30] Just like oh, it's a quirk. It's it's not bug. It's a feature sure

[00:07:34] and there's a lot of that in

[00:07:36] photography

[00:07:37] YouTube and

[00:07:39] Music equipment YouTube. I feel like there's a lot there's a few people out there in both those roles. I think give

[00:07:46] I mean you could tell what their biases are for like certain brands or certain types of

[00:07:51] You know, they like stuff with this type of interface over that type of interface or they don't like mini

[00:07:57] They don't like mini mini output jacks, which I agree are fucking dog shit. I hate those two

[00:08:03] things like that, but those if you have a body of work I

[00:08:08] Feel like if you're a reviewer of any renown and you've kind of got this

[00:08:13] Way that that kind of becomes like yeah

[00:08:16] We know that this is a preference that you have and you're gonna say something about sure something like that

[00:08:20] like like

[00:08:21] Ebert didn't like certain move, you know certain types of movies and you'd you'd hear it all the time or you know

[00:08:26] Like you didn't like Adam Sandler at all. Like so you anytime in Adam Sandler movie be brought up. It would be be trash

[00:08:39] Billy Madison does camera reviews that's good. I take it a clicky clicky

[00:08:51] He's got the Sony camcorder from the from the late 90s where if you turn on infrared

[00:09:00] Man the green light or the green vision night vision

[00:09:04] Yeah, but no if you're a pedophile when that came out Oh gold gold. Absolutely

[00:09:11] It's just a great day like you're you're at

[00:09:15] Your hat you're at the fucking Hardee's talking to your pedophile buddy who works there and he's just like you check this out I

[00:09:22] was on a

[00:09:24] alt-scooby-doo

[00:09:26] Last night and I found out that there's this new way

[00:09:31] You won't believe it. You can get away with it. Oh, man see naked children. All you have to do is buy a camcorder

[00:09:37] It's like well, that's why I had to do before no. No you

[00:09:41] Something different we're taking we're taking listen, this is a low-risk play

[00:09:52] Tugging at my collar here the pedophiles and grown men who listen to Bjork. Yeah

[00:10:00] Camera lets me see naked people I thought

[00:10:03] The monkey's paw. Yeah

[00:10:05] Science fiction with the monkey's paw and as they took it off the market because those yeah, it's too good, right?

[00:10:12] It took too many people out of the the pedophile the prison pipeline. Yes, and we need we need people

[00:10:19] making cheese for

[00:10:21] Whole foods for prison wages fair enough. Yeah, and we had to course correct on that

[00:10:27] We got we get we're really invested in this you got a really good shut that shit down

[00:10:31] But yeah, like what what does the reviewer? Oh the person who made the product

[00:10:36] I'm looking at this AI pin. Like how much child abuse can I get away with?

[00:10:40] This not enough. It's a bad product. Yeah, what is the reviewer owed to somebody like humane?

[00:10:46] This the question I've been wrestling with cuz like music is like

[00:10:50] Yeah, what is the reviewer owed to somebody like humane

[00:10:54] this the question I've been wrestling with because like music and film and all these other things are

[00:10:59] vastly different in terms of

[00:11:01] How you review them because usually it's a very singular. It's a very personal experience

[00:11:06] Yeah

[00:11:06] But with a consumer product like this or as you were talking about music stuff

[00:11:11] There's it's more objective than a review of art

[00:11:17] What does the reviewer owe to the person who created the product I don't think you owe them shit personally

[00:11:26] That's really it is really just like put more effort into it, but that doesn't mean necessarily you have to kiss ass

[00:11:33] Right, and I think that's what this guy was expecting. He was expecting a fawning

[00:11:40] Sycophants to to be coming to the right and I think even mild criticism

[00:11:47] The new the new Mac

[00:11:49] It's so good. Yeah, the new the new MacBook Wow

[00:11:54] Yeah out your old MacBook get the new one because it's got

[00:11:59] the new chipset that

[00:12:02] Doesn't matter that it's much faster because the web the web the websites are already designed so bad. It doesn't matter

[00:12:09] It's right. This is gonna be the same experience

[00:12:11] It's like how I rebuild fucking computer or built a brand new fucking computer and guess what lightroom still is fucking

[00:12:17] It's just this fucking lightroom. Yeah, it's a problem. Yeah, it's Adobe products in general like everything is just like program to be so shitty

[00:12:25] Well, I mean let's not even get into the fucking well

[00:12:28] I guess we could but this the moving to a subscription model that pisses me off more than anything else

[00:12:35] More than any other stupid decision Adobe's ever made moving to a subscription model

[00:12:42] Infuriates me in a way that I can't even begin to express buying software

[00:12:49] Does not need to be a monthly expense in my opinion if I buy

[00:12:55] Creative Suite 7 back and whenever that came out. I want to be able to use creative suite 7 and be done with it

[00:13:04] yeah, I

[00:13:05] Don't need to pay 20 bucks a month to continue using fucking

[00:13:10] Photoshop and yet I do. Yeah, it's like I'm sorry. It's $10 a month, but the principle of thing

[00:13:15] Yeah, we're all fucking that chicken. I know it sucks and I hate it. That's where I'm getting at

[00:13:21] I don't have a lot of tangible benefits to that

[00:13:24] Because I could I guess like updates and you don't have to worry about but what updates am I getting?

[00:13:30] I'm getting fucking AI generation as an update. No, thanks

[00:13:35] Well every once in a while Photoshop will get something that's like not that

[00:13:39] And same thing with Lightroom. They'll get some that will get something. It's like, oh, that's actually like helpful

[00:13:44] It's not something I'll use in every instance

[00:13:46] I was gonna say like how useful is it how many you know, how many updates are you getting?

[00:13:49] I'm using the Adobe AI

[00:13:53] to put tub girl

[00:13:57] On this photo of Hillary Clinton shaking hands with Gaddafi

[00:14:02] And you're trying to make the poop go over both of their hands

[00:14:06] The layers are they the AI is not there yet the technology isn't there we don't we haven't trained it on enough

[00:14:12] Examples of gross photos

[00:14:15] Frame by frame every shot from Garo monster home delivery just feed it into an AI train train

[00:14:22] LLM on Japanese gore porn

[00:14:26] Yeah, I think that's I mean everything look a kitten being lit on fire. Yes, so strange

[00:14:31] I just asked for a picture of a beautiful sunset and there's a guy puking on a woman

[00:14:39] But it does look it does appear to be golden hour we're looking at the lighting

[00:14:44] It's picturesque but like software is a subscription pisses me off

[00:14:49] having to rebuy

[00:14:52] something

[00:14:53] That I paid once for see a lot of this shit and this is where

[00:14:58] It really fucks with me

[00:15:00] It's cheaper to pirate things. I mean it always has been obviously, but it's yeah, it's more cost-effective than it's ever been

[00:15:08] Because every streaming service is turning into cable every software is now a subscription

[00:15:14] It's one of those things where it's like well fuck

[00:15:17] I don't feel like doing this anymore. Yeah, I held on to

[00:15:22] My download copy of lightroom. I think I came over the last version of Lightroom was before went to subscription mall

[00:15:30] I held on to that and as long as I could until I had bought a camera

[00:15:35] That has sensor that the raw converter couldn't handle and then at a certain point

[00:15:41] That's a necessity. Yeah, you yeah, you've run up against a use case where yeah, it's

[00:15:47] They got you. Yeah, cuz I think I could convert the

[00:15:51] Dngs or fucking whatever but I don't like fucking do now

[00:15:54] Well, no cuz that's a nightmare fucking nightmare and then like you are

[00:16:00] Also just taking up a ton of fucking space cuz now you've got your raw files now

[00:16:05] You have your you know dng files or whatever

[00:16:09] And then they're compressed in whatever way that you can't really D&G files are still very information-rich. They're really not that bad

[00:16:16] They're just not as as good as I mean, I think it's still a lossless format

[00:16:21] They're just not as good as a raw file that you're losing some flexibility and that's a big

[00:16:29] Big problem when you're photographing

[00:16:33] stuff like music photography where you need every little fucking bit of

[00:16:37] Information you can tease out of a file to make a image that doesn't suck. So

[00:16:44] Yeah, I don't know this thing it sounds like a fucking shit product and if I had one me and my friends would beat

[00:16:50] It with hammers

[00:16:52] He's going about like oh it's unethical to say this no, it's not you made a shit product

[00:17:00] Yeah, I think it's actually

[00:17:02] Probably the most ethical thing you can say is to give an honest appraisal of a product

[00:17:08] You know what?

[00:17:09] I would be an ethical saying people shouldn't get vaccinated

[00:17:12] For kovat because they won't be shooting hot ropes like they used to fair enough. We haven't done the research

[00:17:18] Say that

[00:17:20] My personally my ropes are just fine. Yeah. Yeah, no no change in volume or consistency

[00:17:27] now we talked about sole a couple weeks back actually on a thanks I hate it, but I

[00:17:32] was

[00:17:34] reminded of that conversation because

[00:17:37] adult swim put out a promo and

[00:17:40] It said 30 years ago

[00:17:42] We made this in a closet and slapped it on television and it was Space Ghost Coast to Coast and the guy who

[00:17:50] Guy who voiced Brack is apparently threatening to kill himself or some shit Andy Merrill

[00:17:56] Who's the guy who not only created the show but yeah, I'm gonna kill myself

[00:18:00] There's I've got bees in my mouth

[00:18:04] So he's the guy who created the show voice Brack did a number of songs for the thing

[00:18:09] Was a whole thing but yeah, he's working as an Amazon driver

[00:18:13] Yeah pre dystopian and but adult swim are putting up this this kind of best of of a show

[00:18:21] that they technically own and saying we did this and

[00:18:26] Andy's going oh, that's interesting first

[00:18:28] I heard of it and other people jumping online to Dave Willis coming in me like actually Andy created that show and

[00:18:34] What the fuck you guys laid him off?

[00:18:37] Yeah, well MC Chris

[00:18:39] During a tour he's recording his tic-tac videos and he's like so yeah

[00:18:43] I know anyway Andy from back like all these people that worked with him are going

[00:18:47] Yeah, this is actually kind of fucked up what you're doing and what you're saying

[00:18:51] Yeah, 30 years ago Andy busted his ass and made something that people still remember and you're taking credit for it and not mentioning him

[00:18:59] What do we owe to the creatives? Well?

[00:19:02] Better than this were it not for Space Ghost pretty much adults one would not exist

[00:19:07] Period point blank no question

[00:19:09] Were it not for Space Ghost I don't think

[00:19:11] Adult swim itself would have even been a thing because there was not a lot of we're programming like that. Yeah

[00:19:18] We're just yeah, I remember

[00:19:20] As a kid has some pretty fun memories of going

[00:19:24] Oh, this is just shows you how how things used to be you young zoomers with your tic-tac dances and your I know

[00:19:31] forever chemicals in your water

[00:19:34] You never understand they were like you might go over to your your mom's friend's house

[00:19:40] And they got a different cable box provider, and they got channels you don't

[00:19:45] Because you see where I grew up I had charter cable or jant lived she had TCL

[00:19:52] TCL yeah, but guess what TCL had

[00:19:56] I

[00:19:57] Hard don't cartoon network to network

[00:20:00] So that was a big old treat hanging out with Jen and her kids just have a good old Friday evening

[00:20:04] You'll eat some some pizza for manglis. Oh, that was the first time I ever had pineapple and pizza god damn

[00:20:11] That was good

[00:20:14] But I watched Space Coast you know my who's is Bjork Lee and I remember the episode

[00:20:19] about the exploding sharks and

[00:20:21] Follow

[00:20:22] Fall that wish the the ant he blows off an interview with Conan O'Brien to follow a fire ant for 11 minutes

[00:20:31] It's brilliant. It's just a weird subversive show. I mean you had they chopped up the Bjork interview

[00:20:37] Yeah, it's a he's like okay. This is my new wife. Yeah

[00:20:41] They would get people in to do interviews

[00:20:44] People who doing these interviews didn't know what the hell was going on

[00:20:47] George Lowe would probably be the only one actually talking to them

[00:20:50] That's the voice of space just thank you. Yeah, the voice of space ghost

[00:20:53] And you know his whole schtick and at least in the beginning was are you getting out of oxygen?

[00:20:58] You know all this but eventually it just became this absurdist masterpiece

[00:21:02] It started out they were actually legit trying to do a talk show and after a certain point

[00:21:08] With guests that were like rude and combative

[00:21:11] They're like well

[00:21:12] Why don't we just have fun with it and so that's where you get episodes

[00:21:16] Where you had macho man Randy Savage doing a voice

[00:21:20] on the show as

[00:21:22] Space ghost granddad. That's right. Yeah

[00:21:25] And you had oh god

[00:21:26] I mean, it's so somebody living part of the bit too was that they were the they would have like a straight interview with someone

[00:21:32] Right, but then as when they were putting it into the show there

[00:21:36] They would ask different questions and that's how you get the weird responses

[00:21:40] Right some of those early ones like Donnie and Marie

[00:21:43] It was kind of like openly hostile and so they ran with that idea

[00:21:47] They would rewrite the questions sure but like these guests reactions were sometimes legitimate to like what are we doing here?

[00:21:54] You know, these these things were because you know, they're taking them

[00:21:57] They're going to conventions and be like hey, can we can we interview you for this show?

[00:22:01] I mean, what is this? What is this the things where they're like, what is this who am I talking to that kind of thing?

[00:22:07] and then they built that into the show, yeah, but just

[00:22:11] absurd concepts the great Kentucky River Shark

[00:22:15] I think that's what yeah, Willie Nelson was on that episode

[00:22:18] there was the gas leak episode where they I think it was him ever was ludicrous or who it was but they

[00:22:25] Crack a window and they're all running around

[00:22:29] Breaking the pipes and just it was completely absurd. Oh the don't let the bees in yes. Yes

[00:22:36] I

[00:22:37] Can't it's been so long. I can't really remember

[00:22:40] I have some of the DVDs but not all of them, but but it's also those the first appearance of Aquatine Hunger Force. Yes

[00:22:47] That's right and yeah, they hadn't quite gotten the characters where they wanted them but yeah the Baffler meal

[00:22:55] Space Ghost makes a deal with a burger chain called the burger trench

[00:23:02] For a houseboat and one serious speaker

[00:23:07] To make the entire show a an advertisement for burger trenches the Baffler Baffler meal, yeah

[00:23:16] boy

[00:23:19] There's hungry teens to feed

[00:23:23] Really absurd shit and

[00:23:25] Boy, nobody was doing that nobody. Well, okay. It was them and Conan O'Brien. That was it

[00:23:31] You know as far as like stuff that was on TV and Conan O'Brien

[00:23:35] Was late at night and same for Space Ghost. They kind of occupied a very similar

[00:23:41] Time of day because this is when you day parts and you had to figure out where you're gonna put this weird shit

[00:23:47] And they said well, we'll put it on late night and that worked all this stuff this huge

[00:23:54] At least to me and people like me. I mean you obviously like-minded but like

[00:23:59] Space ghosts is more known now for coast to coast than it ever was as a old cartoon

[00:24:05] Yeah, that ever was as a comic book character

[00:24:08] Yeah, you know I and the the cartoon the comic book not that great. No, I read a space ghost

[00:24:17] Green Lantern crossover that

[00:24:19] But out a couple years ago not great because they played it straight. It's like no at this point

[00:24:25] What space ghosting is you're doing is asking Green Lantern is

[00:24:31] So do you think dog should get married?

[00:24:37] And Guy Gardner just staring at him for four panels

[00:24:40] I what did you just yeah at a certain point you've lost control of the characters cuz I mean between George

[00:24:47] Lowe's voice and just the weird shit that they had him doing

[00:24:50] It's become its own thing all this and any Merrill's working for Amazon like

[00:24:56] it's so a

[00:24:58] Unfair obviously because creatives should be treated much better in this and every industry

[00:25:05] but also just

[00:25:08] You couldn't keep them on for

[00:25:11] Health care for whatever, you know, like I have him storyboard something like what do you mean?

[00:25:17] What do you mean you're gonna fire any Merrill he made he made you guys it's a it's a it's an

[00:25:24] epidemic of nonsense

[00:25:26] Because they're shelving shows now and we're shelving entire movies or the lean content

[00:25:32] because if we keep if they keep on streaming then they would be

[00:25:37] Open to paying royalties to people right to music disappearing off max off of Netflix

[00:25:45] We've really

[00:25:47] taken all value of content of

[00:25:50] creative endeavors and

[00:25:52] Then wonder why we're getting nothing but the garbage bin. Yeah like well, I

[00:25:59] Mean we had an epic struggle just last year to get writers

[00:26:03] Actual fair pay you know what I mean? Like it was a brutal that's just so really not even over

[00:26:08] No, because there's there's still so many working parts in that but it's also

[00:26:14] It's just the larger picture is just like we're not valuing creatives. Like you said, like we're not yeah

[00:26:20] I overheard somebody the other day talking about because they do concert promotion out in California or they do booking and

[00:26:28] Some band

[00:26:31] Got a guarantee of $40,000

[00:26:36] $40,000 for a single show in

[00:26:39] California would it surprise you that that band was the Dresden dolls? No, okay

[00:26:46] I feel like if any bands that you or I were huge fans of asked for $40,000

[00:26:53] They'd be laughed out of the fucking building. Yeah, I don't know if 40 grand is an appropriate amount for a single show

[00:27:00] I mean, I feel like it isn't but that could just be because I don't know the biz so any band

[00:27:06] That's let's say playing like the pageant

[00:27:10] 2200 cap room in the Midwest. Yeah, you're looking at tickets. You're gonna be anywhere from

[00:27:17] 20 to $40, right?

[00:27:21] That's general admission because balcony is gonna be more just by default

[00:27:33] Now why should you screw this band

[00:27:37] So any band that's in that ticket range

[00:27:40] It's probably getting anywhere from like 20 grand to probably 50 grand night

[00:27:46] Okay, so let me just do some math here

[00:27:48] I'll say it's a for you and say they sell out because it seems like that's really all that's happening is like you either

[00:27:54] You're either no one's playing like a half capacity room anymore. You have to like try in

[00:28:01] Does that make sense to say like yeah, I'm not going to a show

[00:28:04] I'm not shooting a show at Delmar Hall and only like a hundred people show up

[00:28:07] It's like the rooms at least half fucking full. There's no like geez we took a risk on it's like everything's everything's so much less risk

[00:28:15] now, I was just saying that's probably because of booking and because of

[00:28:19] We're not gonna blow this money on something that's not kind of perform

[00:28:22] So they're gonna go with surefire hits that they're gonna go with what they know works. Yeah

[00:28:27] Which was why slow dive I thought was like, oh, okay

[00:28:30] That's interesting that they've never been to st

[00:28:32] Louis at least I thought in the 90s they would have taken some risks and maybe you know

[00:28:36] St. Louis was still a fucking I mean their violent only ever played here once that's what I'm saying

[00:28:41] Like slow dive didn't play her once, you know, I mean like but

[00:28:44] Anyway, the different bands different careers. That's a whole different

[00:28:48] Like I think but my blade Valentine ever played it often

[00:28:51] Like there's a lot of bands that never really played st. Louis that much because why fucking would you?

[00:28:57] Well, I mean I get it

[00:29:00] Because there's so many other towns you can route through

[00:29:04] You can fucking spend the whole entire week in New England and not have to drive that far in between locations

[00:29:09] And then when you start going out west you're gonna hit Chicago or Cincinnati or Minneapolis

[00:29:15] You can hit all three of those if you're if you're doing really good, right?

[00:29:18] you're probably gonna go south hit Memphis or Nashville and

[00:29:23] If you're then gonna start going west if you're not gonna go south to like a land and hit Florida

[00:29:28] Maybe you'll hit Columbia instead play the Blue Note or play Rose Hall. Yeah, or you'll just fucking hump it

[00:29:35] Maybe you got a day off a travel day. So you're just gonna go straight to Kansas City

[00:29:39] Because you don't want to capitalize the Missouri market or something like that

[00:29:43] Yeah, then you then you gotta do the most fucking gut-wrenching fucking drive which is Kansas City the fucking

[00:29:51] Denver

[00:29:52] Oof a few times it's honestly, you know what? It's still not as bad as driving through, Indiana

[00:30:00] You know talk shit about Kansas and you can tell their bias and where they've been

[00:30:05] Well, they ain't been because Indiana is like some real fucking like fucking kill me now

[00:30:10] God, I do not want to live anymore kind of bullshit. At least Kansas is like a pretty state

[00:30:15] Indiana is just like this is just sad. This is a state of depression

[00:30:19] Depression I've been there once and I drove through to Indianapolis and I

[00:30:24] Couldn't tell you a single thing that happened on that drive. It's fucking nothing. Yeah

[00:30:28] It's also one of those things where like all sudden you realize oh, I really gotta take a shit and you're on the highway

[00:30:32] Oh, we just fucking missed the exit. When's the next?

[00:30:35] 30 miles 30 miles literally. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways for you now ticket

[00:30:41] 2200 people mmm $8,000. Okay, so I

[00:30:47] I don't know

[00:30:49] What the door split if there's a door split what the guarantee is

[00:30:54] Because I've never looked at a pay sheet for a show of that size. I'm sure I've only ever seen

[00:31:01] guarantee split sheet

[00:31:03] Stuff like that for bands where Bert was picking up hot and ready

[00:31:09] He's like yeah, these guys these guys are in the little help getting to the next

[00:31:14] Some some real weekend warrior shit, yeah, man, this really sucks this bands really fucking tight

[00:31:19] But I open for a couple of them. Yeah, they're there been some

[00:31:26] Doing the old Metallica hand sandwich or it's a piece of salami on your palm and you just

[00:31:33] Jesus yeah, so you have slow dice probably

[00:31:36] Paid anywhere from I would probably say 40 to 60 K. Oh good for that

[00:31:40] They've been so influential over the past several decades and whatnot and you know

[00:31:45] Pay him what you own that several decades. I mean they've been around since like the late 80s

[00:31:50] Several is more than two. So

[00:31:52] Sure, I'm they can't the band is not older than me, right?

[00:31:58] 40 years right four decades you said several

[00:32:02] Several is two or more right? Am I am I wrong in this several several would be seven

[00:32:08] No, that's I hate the fucking English language

[00:32:12] It's such a fucking garbage you also more than two but not many. I never heard this

[00:32:17] That's that's straight out of Oxford more than two, but not many. I had several hot dogs this week

[00:32:25] No

[00:32:26] No, it's more than two, but not many. It's like it's like a few or I'm not making

[00:32:34] Again again the public school system has failed

[00:32:39] And yeah, I definitely was not gonna say that slowdive has been around for seven decades now

[00:32:44] As I wasn't sure the exact number so I said several it kind of hmm

[00:32:48] I did not mean for this to turn into etymology. But I

[00:32:54] Alright

[00:32:56] This is this is a I feel like I am Savros here

[00:33:02] Hmm that's like kind of like, you know finding out that I had a sister I didn't know about

[00:33:06] Okay, is that is that true is a truth. Oh wow

[00:33:16] This year yeah

[00:33:18] I think I tried to tell you this but then we were like, hey check out this

[00:33:24] That does sound like me here's a here's a news story about a guy on Twitter who

[00:33:30] Doesn't get it. I'm like damn he doesn't get it. Oh damn

[00:33:35] Dude does not get it. That brother's starving

[00:33:40] Yeah, apparently I have a half I have a half sister out there that I've never met before that's wild yeah

[00:33:46] And my dad obviously knows about this isn't like my dad seems like the kind of guy that would find out

[00:33:53] He he has an adult child. He doesn't know about yeah, he was a salesman at a furniture store

[00:33:58] the classic traveling salesman bit

[00:34:01] I'm sorry. I don't mean to lab and like my dad has never told me about this. Well, yeah

[00:34:07] I mean why would one of my one of my half siblings knows and

[00:34:11] My brother doesn't and I don't know how to broach this subject with him cuz we'll link him to the podcast

[00:34:17] I guess he doesn't thinkfully he doesn't listen to the podcast. Okay. All right, but yeah, it's that's a yeah

[00:34:23] It's just like huh? That's something

[00:34:26] Yeah, yeah, just you know what I can't even I for whatever reason I guess I grew up thinking the several was seven

[00:34:36] I was more interested in the in the the secret sibling. Oh

[00:34:41] What how are you feeling about this? What's what's going?

[00:34:47] We I know you got your

[00:34:49] I don't know how I feel. I know my sister feels my sister is very angry

[00:34:55] Yeah, and I can because you know my well my sister is angry because uh, she's the one that got out

[00:35:01] Okay fair. So really like it's it's not as

[00:35:07] Body is a story as one could assume. No, it's

[00:35:10] It's still a bit of a jaw dropper though

[00:35:13] So my father before him and his first wife got married. They were kind of like high school sweethearts. Mm-hmm and

[00:35:20] My dad was kind of a hippie-dippy guy and

[00:35:24] Of course hippie-dippy guys. You know, I mean just eat the root man. You won't get the baby

[00:35:30] Yeah, I'm allergic to lamb skin or whatever. Yeah, man pull out

[00:35:36] Yes, and so they

[00:35:39] He got her pregnant and

[00:35:42] Her family was like you are if you keep this child we will disown you

[00:35:47] And so they put the baby up for adoption

[00:35:50] Okay, my aunt is really into like ancestry stuff and all that

[00:35:55] They got connected. Oh wow and

[00:35:59] My aunt was like, yeah

[00:36:00] I remember something like that happened as a when we were younger and that's probably for the best given that they were like

[00:36:06] dirt poor hippie kids. Yeah

[00:36:09] But this person like lives in the south apparently has like an alright life, you know adopts kids of their own

[00:36:16] Nice

[00:36:17] That's it's yeah, I uh

[00:36:19] I don't know where to go with it. I really I got too much going on right now to be like

[00:36:23] Hi, I'm like your long-lost like half brother, right?

[00:36:26] I mean that's that's a whole can of worms you don't necessarily want to get into but I mean just it's gotta be

[00:36:33] It's a little bit of mind-fucked. Yeah doesn't never say anything about it

[00:36:38] The funny thing is is that my girlfriend broached the subject with my mom before I did

[00:36:44] And my mom and and one of her great it sounds like something from a trailer park boys episode

[00:36:52] apparently my mom's responses I

[00:36:54] Feel like I should know that it sounds true

[00:36:58] Okay

[00:36:59] Yeah, probably paraphrasing incorrectly. But it's one of those things really. Yes sounds like

[00:37:04] Something I should know or I've something I've known

[00:37:07] Yeah, like this sounds right. I think I knew that and then just kind of yeah blanked on it

[00:37:14] Well, I mean I get that it's not something you really want to think about too much both by my grandparents

[00:37:20] Had like secret families. Oh jeez my father's father when he passed there was a

[00:37:27] Another family at the funeral that wanted nothing to do with my father and he didn't know who they were and he's like

[00:37:34] I was probably

[00:37:36] How did guys in that time period find the time and or energy to have secret families?

[00:37:43] Fucking well, no, I understand. I understand that part. I meant the the rest of it

[00:37:48] Oh, I think it is have one family you neglect

[00:37:51] Ah and you like come by every once a while and like eat some like pan-fried meat with them and then you leave

[00:37:58] And maybe you come by around like on the holidays and birthdays and stuff if they're lucky but that grandfather

[00:38:05] was a

[00:38:06] Real fucking piece of work

[00:38:08] I'm glad that he died when I was a little kid because I've never heard a good story about him

[00:38:12] He was a a Wilson police officer

[00:38:15] the

[00:38:17] Explicit reason that's only ever been given to me about why he wanted to be a cop was because he hated black people

[00:38:22] Yeah, was uh?

[00:38:24] My father once told me a story about how they were looking to get some information

[00:38:30] Situation him and his partner

[00:38:32] and

[00:38:34] They picked up a known

[00:38:36] Accomplice of this individual and a way that probably wasn't legal. Oh, they took him out to the Chenrox bridge

[00:38:43] My grandfather apparently told this guy who was a black man like me

[00:38:47] You're gonna go take a little walk here all along the river

[00:38:49] And he told his partner as he was getting the guy out if you hear the gun go off

[00:38:54] I'm just shooting at rabbits. All right

[00:38:56] Yeah, so apparently back in the day the newspapers used to run little stories about Francis Sutter and his goon squad

[00:39:04] Oh my

[00:39:06] They had a goon squad is just icing on the cake. Yeah, it's no wonder why

[00:39:12] Yeah, well, yeah, I know Jesus Christ many reasons, but that's just cherry on top

[00:39:17] But yeah all the stories like my siblings have ever told me about my grandfather. It was like that guy fucking sucks

[00:39:25] So this is fucking thing you're gonna show me do you have sorry I got I really got sidetracked there by my

[00:39:31] My doo-doo brain by the word several

[00:39:35] So I reposted this because I found it on on YouTube

[00:39:40] It was recommended to me because I own a TCL television TCL is the the make the Roku TVs

[00:39:46] And all that well TCL is getting into the content creation game Brian. Oh

[00:39:52] Uh-huh

[00:39:54] With an original film called next stop Paris

[00:39:58] I'm gonna play the trailer for you and see if you can tell me what

[00:40:03] first thing you notice

[00:40:05] Next on Paris on TCL TV plus Wow folks all the stars are here

[00:40:11] Generic AI man number one generic what do you mean you Claire? What do you mean you forgot the chicken nuggets?

[00:40:20] Claire I need a copy of Bambi for the ps2 right now

[00:40:24] Just

[00:40:27] Awful AI generated everything the the geometry of Paris looks really fucked

[00:40:32] They've got what appears to be Big Ben also in Paris. I know I really don't get what they're going for well

[00:40:41] Okay, let me take that back. I kind of get what they're going for they're going for an

[00:40:46] Emily in Paris type of romance film. That's what they want to have

[00:40:50] But it's

[00:40:52] It's hot fucking garbage Brian, and that's just a trailer the minute-long trailer

[00:40:56] I don't think I care to see or hear any more of this

[00:41:00] I think it was just a matter of time before we got something like this where everything is generated by AI

[00:41:06] Including what sounds like the script and the voices it stinks

[00:41:11] That stinks yeah, I mean that's all I got man cuz fuck. This is just it's dog shit all around

[00:41:17] Really funny to me again like the only thing I think interesting is or interesting you use AI for is literally just a form

[00:41:24] of shit posting cuz like okay, what if I made an AI webs show mm-hmm with

[00:41:31] Michelle Obama right as a Victorian detective mm-hmm

[00:41:37] But all the things but she's also a serial killer

[00:41:41] Okay, okay, and it just just you know like just make something absolutely fucking weird

[00:41:47] Right and then um have her assistant be like the Oscar Meyer wiener boy

[00:41:53] You know sure like just have something that just like your your go nuts have a dog

[00:41:59] eating itself

[00:42:01] washing its hands while the Sun turns colors and

[00:42:07] A rainbow turns into a bathtub

[00:42:10] full of chicken legs see that's like the only like just the stuff that's like fucking bizarre and

[00:42:17] If you're like short-handing stuff that would be really intensive to have like a 3d artist

[00:42:23] Render that stuff I can understand to some extent. I'm not saying you shouldn't pay a 3d artist

[00:42:30] To render that I'm saying maybe you should pay the three artists to to guide those prompts or something like that

[00:42:38] Yeah, right like if like if you're the look you shouldn't cut that creative person out right that creative person should probably

[00:42:47] learn how to take their knowledge and

[00:42:50] Do their thing mm-hmm? I'm saying like it. I'm sorry to say like probably

[00:42:56] understanding AI tools is

[00:42:58] Probably going to be a prerequisite for a lot of creative individuals in the near future

[00:43:03] Yeah, and I think I think mostly that's bad in a couple ways

[00:43:08] It could be good in the sense that it's probably still keeping those people in the loop

[00:43:12] Sure, it's when those people get taken out of the loop

[00:43:14] I think it's it's a holy evil and bad thing and that's exactly what this is at least it what it appears to be

[00:43:21] It looks like they've taken every single creative person out of the loop that they can and it looks and sounds like dogshit

[00:43:29] I mean, that's

[00:43:31] There's no it's it's a romance novel basically about a woman who's going to Paris and meets a man on the train

[00:43:38] It's been done, but you know it can be done well if somebody writes it well enough for what they've all been hitting the

[00:43:43] head by donkey

[00:43:46] Give me something then there's a mysterious so I'm so glad to be in Paris

[00:43:53] Martha I'm going to Paris as well

[00:43:57] Don't let your dreams be dreams

[00:44:00] Make your dreams real Claire

[00:44:03] If

[00:44:05] This is the future if this is what we're because God knows there's somebody over at Warner Brothers

[00:44:10] Licking his fucking chops seeing this going we don't have to pay those motherfuckers anything

[00:44:15] You know just it's we we should take all the people on the board of Warner Brothers, and we should put them in

[00:44:22] A nursery in Gaza and just see what happens see what happens. Just see what happens

[00:44:28] There's nothing actionable there. We're just saying I should go visit

[00:44:31] I have a hot take if I was a super cool white hat hacker, okay?

[00:44:34] I would hack into the IDF okay, and all the quadricoppers that they have going around

[00:44:40] They're playing the sounds of babies crying to lure people out so they can be murdered

[00:44:44] I would replace that with Lana Del Rey because anyone who hears a lot of the real

[00:44:48] I don't care if a person in Palestine and in Gaza City

[00:44:52] It's not familiar not up on their Western pop culture is gonna hear that shit and be like where that is

[00:44:57] I need to be far away from

[00:45:00] You mean the people in Palestine are not gonna come out when they're like

[00:45:12] My dead child my murdered child and we're getting the fuck whatever's going over there, that's not cash money to me

[00:45:19] Yeah, yeah take care of business look the fact that you're

[00:45:23] using screams of people to lure other people out to then murder them is just like

[00:45:28] It does seem like something that like

[00:45:31] That's like a little too beyond the pale even for like say like Nazi Germany. It's cartoonishly evil

[00:45:38] It's an we're at a point. I mean they already massacred people that were getting flour from eight trucks

[00:45:44] You know like which was already cartoonishly evil right and we're bombing a hospital and say we didn't do it and then bombing

[00:45:50] all the other

[00:45:51] hospitals

[00:45:53] Like yes, but but there were bad guys in there though you see no if they said they were competitive

[00:45:58] Smash Brothers players that have rap sheets for harassing women. I'd be like, of course

[00:46:04] Understandable have a nice day. Yeah, I'm not worried about those guys

[00:46:10] You got competitive smash brother suppose the players he also ends also ends up a couple civilians

[00:46:18] whoopsie-daisy

[00:46:20] Can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs, but I draw the line. Yeah, there's just I have this

[00:46:28] What is it gonna take? What is it gonna take you were saying something in the in the last episode about

[00:46:34] Now now we're getting retaliatory of strikes from Iran

[00:46:38] 34 minutes ago Israel missile Israeli missiles hit

[00:46:43] Iran

[00:46:44] It kind of feels like

[00:46:47] Annihilation. Yeah, sometimes I feel like that's the endgame because Israel does have nukes

[00:46:53] Right and my ran might that's always been I think I ran

[00:46:58] I mean, it's also kind of an ethnic state, but they also seem like they just kind of want to do their own shit, right?

[00:47:07] Like there's stuff that's not great about Iran, but they also seem like they just really don't want they just want to do their own thing

[00:47:13] Yeah, but is really like y'all motherfuckers keep making me do with it

[00:47:17] But annihilation being the goal that I mean, that's a very you know end times evangelists Christian stuff

[00:47:26] The Christian Zionists mm-hmm, so

[00:47:29] Some of them would believe that like a war like this would be ideal for you know

[00:47:37] The book of revelations to play out and yeah, they've wanted it for decades the rapture. Mm-hmm

[00:47:43] I just know I'm grabbing one of the motherfuckers and weighing them down if I see them floating

[00:47:49] Harpoon guns just my sins are keeping us down here

[00:47:53] Yeah, no you don't get to get out of this

[00:47:57] No one eats for free you're down here with me motherfucker

[00:48:01] Yeah, it's all fucking depressing and it's not getting any better the shit that's going on with Columbia in New York right now

[00:48:09] With students are protesting in Columbia

[00:48:13] University and

[00:48:15] It's a pretty simple pro-palestine protest. They're kind of like doing a camp in

[00:48:21] Right looks like they're occupying mm-hmm and I mean you'd call that a sit-in, but yeah, I mean it's the same

[00:48:27] Yeah, it's the same thing Cornell West has come out there with his little scarf

[00:48:33] Well, brother mutton, not Yahoo doesn't understand

[00:48:36] Let's say we aren't gonna stop. Hey, you know as wackadoo as he can sound sometimes

[00:48:42] He's at least has the strength of his convictions unless unlike a lot of people

[00:48:45] Oh, no, I've been in the same space as Cornell West a couple times

[00:48:49] He's really interesting and overly sincere individual. Yeah, the only thing that really ever makes me go

[00:48:55] What about him is why he's always debating the?

[00:48:59] Communist Revolution guy. Yeah, that's I think that's where some of the wackadoo quotes are coming from in my mind

[00:49:05] Is that yeah, like what why are you even talking to?

[00:49:09] Yeah, they're like arresting students or suspending them like they can't get back into their dorms because their cards been

[00:49:15] deactivated

[00:49:17] it's

[00:49:19] Fucking wild and then you got sitting members of Congress telling their Twitter audiences to you know, assault people that are blocking highways

[00:49:28] That's a lot of fun stuff and and

[00:49:30] Marcy Taylor Green. I mean this is a little different

[00:49:35] theater of war here, but you know

[00:49:39] She put that thing through proposition that like, you know anyone who votes for funding the war in

[00:49:45] Ukraine, you know, they should conscript with the Ukrainian Army which is alright

[00:49:52] That's definitely

[00:49:54] Calling some bullshit more than other people and our government has been I'm sorry to say it's coming from

[00:50:01] Someone who's completely off their fucking rocker, but I guess you know broken clocks. Yep. Yep

[00:50:05] Yep, you read my mind cuz I said well

[00:50:07] I don't even know where to begin with that stuff like the inmates are running the asylum

[00:50:11] We're generating entire movies out of AI

[00:50:15] Nothing's getting better. I'm having a hard time finding the silver lining

[00:50:19] This does feel like the early days of Trump's presidency

[00:50:24] You know now it's illegal to protest. Oh, yeah. Yeah and three states I think SIPI

[00:50:31] Texas I can't remember who else but remember, you know remember folks this is all happening, you know with a

[00:50:39] A democratically elected Democrat. Mm-hmm president the stuff going on in Columbia

[00:50:46] You know, that's one of a it's a Democratic stronghold. Yeah in a direct Democratic stronghold state

[00:50:54] These things are all under happening and there's a guy who

[00:50:59] Who told us he wasn't going to be

[00:51:02] Mm-hmm so bad but turns out he is just as bad as Trump if not worse in some respects

[00:51:07] I think Trump if he wins the next election, which unfortunately seems likely yeah, I'm not getting a good vibe

[00:51:13] Yeah, because it all sounds like well you really want Trump like no. No the thing is at least the

[00:51:18] The only I know is I even like you have to hand it to him

[00:51:22] but I

[00:51:24] think the insincerity of Democrats is almost more infuriating than the fascism of

[00:51:31] The Republicans because because the Republicans say they're gonna do terrible shit and then they do it right but

[00:51:38] the Democrats I mean

[00:51:40] They'd like to be privy. They like to bear witness to suffering. Yeah, they like to tell you the better world isn't possible

[00:51:48] Yeah, that's the classic

[00:51:50] The classic centrist line, you know, I feel like and we talked about Frank Zappa a couple weeks ago

[00:51:56] I feel like Frank Zappa's line is always gonna be prescient from hot plate heaven in the Green Hotel

[00:52:02] Republicans is fine. If you're a multi-billionaire

[00:52:06] Democrats is fine if all you own is what you wear

[00:52:09] But neither of them is really great cuz neither of them care about the hot plate him because they ain't been there

[00:52:15] Right. I don't think we're ever really gonna have that kind of people's representation because people who claim to be for the people

[00:52:23] Especially on the right

[00:52:27] They don't know what the fuck they're talking about. They haven't held a nine-to-five

[00:52:30] They don't you know, they don't know the material conditions on the streets the same thing happens with Democrats though

[00:52:35] Yeah, Biden's been basically in politics his whole entire life, right?

[00:52:39] His entire career has been bought and paid for by the American people

[00:52:42] He does not know what it's like to do it to do a job

[00:52:45] I remember that fucking photo of Hillary Clinton

[00:52:49] Like that person's like very modest apartment and the look on her face

[00:52:55] It's the damn bitch you live like this that's what she's thinking

[00:52:59] Yeah, there's a fucking pot of plants in the sink or something like that

[00:53:04] That face yeah, that's that's what they think of you. All right. Well that about

[00:53:09] Yeah, real fucking high note. Oh boy

[00:53:12] Yeah, I mean like no one's coming to save us there's no there's no salvation to be had and

[00:53:18] Life sucks. We're ahead

[00:53:20] Life's short life is shit. Then you die. It's over. Yeah, that's all we get. Sorry

[00:53:26] Yeah, sorry better luck next time. Hopefully next time when you're reborn on the will of samsara. You can be like a dog

[00:53:33] That would be boss. Can you imagine being a dog?

[00:53:38] If I were I know if I were reborn the dog immediately running into a street and getting run over

[00:53:44] On purpose or just who fucking knows I probably just would be your luck

[00:53:51] Where's the pizza? Where's the pizza? Oh, yeah immediately. I'm Bergen. Yeah

[00:53:57] Dog I can't I can't make a burger shit. I got steel burger burger. Where's where's the burger? Where's the burger?

[00:54:07] This absolutely destroyed by pancake. Yeah

[00:54:11] Hey, you go no I had it all

[00:54:16] All for a burger

[00:54:19] Chained to the wheel of samsara with golden chains laid low by a simple burger. Alright folks

[00:54:25] We'll talk to you next week. Bye. Bye. Bye