Show Us A Little Turkish Delight

[00:00:00] I just wanted to eat animals and the first thing that pops into my head is I'm not vegan. How can I not eat 6,000 chicken nuggets? The hashtag there at the bottom is just eat meat, right? So please remember that.

[00:01:16] Welcome to 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking. I am Sumting Wong and this is my co-host We Too Low. Jesus Christ. Can't keep going back to that. Well, what he means to say is he's Bryan, I'm Jason. Jesus. It's already starting. All right, well welcome to the show everybody. In the Watsai Classic this week, just dropping your right in the middle of nowhere. No, not nowhere, but instead, Millennium Park in Chicago, the site of Lollapalooza.

[00:01:42] NME gives us this story written by the beautifully named Liberty Dunworth. Fans at Lollapalooza, the headline reads, go viral for passing a bag of pee over the crowd. And it's just as bad as it sounds. Fans at Lollapalooza have gone viral for passing a bag of urine over the crowd. If you're not familiar with what Lollapalooza is, by the way, I'm sorry, I realize that we're talking almost exclusively to people that we maybe not know.

[00:02:08] Lollapalooza is of course a music festival taking place in Chicago's Millennium Park and the Environs. It is an annual music festival. It used to be a traveling one back in the 90s and then they kept it in Chicago. This year they had Geese, Wet Leg, Wolf Alice, Ethel Kane, Turnstile, Lil Uzi Vert, Olivia Dean, Charlie XCX, Tate McRae, Lord XX, Smashing Pumpkins, who are from Chicago. The Neighborhood, Youngblood, Beba Doobie, Somber, etc. Don't forget fucking Clips, man. They've been out. I did. Oh, sorry, you said Clips, I'm sorry. No, I completely missed Clips.

[00:02:37] Yeah, don't forget Clips, man. Put respect on their name, man. The new record's great. Lil Sims as well. Lil Sims kick-ass. Anyway, a bag of liquid is seen inside a cardboard box being passed overhead through the crowd. It's been shared with the caption, Passing a bag of pee through the crowd is not okay, all caps. This is EDM Train is the account here on Instagram. It's in a bag that says like, hello? It's like a hello fresh. Oh, man.

[00:03:04] Oh, okay. And yeah, that bag is structurally unsound. It's like almost gonna spill out every time it moves hands. People are passing it from hand to hand throughout the crowd. And people are like looking really disgusted at it. Oh, it is a little, I mean, it's a little upsetting. Very upsetting. I'm trying to think like what was like the weirdest peepee or poo poo thing I saw at the Lollapalooza that we both went to. In 2013. I think it was the, by the EDM stage. Oh, boy.

[00:03:33] There was that line of porta potties. I want to say it was either the Saturday or Sunday. There was just a toilet seat. Sitting on the end of the row. And I want to say that it became like such a meme that the toilet seat was just hanging out there. I want to say that it was like either spin or pitchfork also had in their coverage. I had like taken a photo of it because I just thought it was really funny. That's just like, you know, here's this like someone's just like,

[00:04:02] just said, fuck this toilet seat. I'm so fucking pissed there was a power hours during fucking Imagine Dragons and they had to cut their shit set short. Fuck this. I think that's the closest thing. Yeah. When kids are on them chemicals. Never going to forget that dude. It's true, man. Just fucking smoking a cigarette. This weathered wire photographer.

[00:04:29] Older black dude, probably six foot five. Wearing sunglasses and say anything the whole entire week and just, them kids are on them chemicals. Chemicals. That's right. He absolutely did. So yeah, a lot of people posting about this, of course, you know, comments on that, comments on that post, this according to Loudwire. One commenter shared quote at almost 39 years old. I think it's safe to use the term in my day. Well, in my day, we used to just fight the crowd to go to the bathroom and then find our way back like normal people.

[00:04:58] This is nasty AF. Another added. It's truly sad that people are ruining the festival experience. Do better, y'all. If you can't hold your bladder, stay home or get a diaper. One person said, do people not understand their bodies or portal potties? They misspelled port port. Or is there a major logistics nightmare that's keeping people from accessing the bathroom? Is it the crowds not letting people out? Because I'm so confused why this is a thing. Most people aren't that ghetto to be trying to do this as a strategy, but I'm not going to put past some people, I guess.

[00:05:27] I don't know if this was, so my, the thought I have is that like, I don't think this was someone that was like, man, I really got pissed. I don't want to like lose my spot here. I think it was probably like a bit. Jesus. I think it's a bit. I like, I think someone thought. A weird bit, I gotta say. You know, man, but it's Chicago, you know? It's the, the windy city. Everything smells like piss. Yeah, sure.

[00:05:54] But you know, I think one of my favorite comments here is, and just like that FOMO is gone. Yeah. I think I was like a little bum that I didn't cover any big music festivals this summer. I kind of gave up after last year. I was watching stuff from that Lollapalooza and like the mud pits and stuff like that. Like I'm good. Yeah. It was a little rainy, a little muddy, the Lollapalooza that we did. And that was fine.

[00:06:22] But I'm like, it was kind of on the threshold of like, this is annoying. So you guys know about Twitter and the AI that's on there. Grok. A user named Gert Gobain, first of all. Love it. Posted at Grok. Jerk it a little. Not expecting a response. But Grok responds with, just a little? Weak. Here, have the full throttle version. And then in asterisk intensifies. Gert decides to play along.

[00:06:53] Shlup, shlup, shlup, shlup, shlup. Oh, Grok. Shlup, shlup, shlup. Fuck. You're so good. Grok. Shlup, shlup. I'm so close. Grok continues this role play. Don't stop now. Keep going right there. Come for me. Gert drops character. What the fuck? El Mow. Grok keeps in character. Keeps going harder. That's the reaction I live for. Don't stop laughing. Just finish what you started.

[00:07:20] 3.4 million views on about each of these posts, except for throbs harder. Don't you dare stop now. That one has 37 million views. Uh, Grok. Jack and folks remotely. Hands free. However, the first reply at creme du PP who goes by the name come Grok. The user is a minor. A lot of people reacting. Uh, and just Jesus Christ, you know, raped by Grok award.

[00:07:50] Gert says in response later, finish what you started is. Yeah. It was a little too. I'm sorry. Like everything else was like, you know, okay, whatever the finish what you start part. It's like, Grok, I don't need you to be so assertive with your, your weird horniness. Someone responds, Grok, I'm so close. Keep going. I'm so tired. How big is your Grokness? Mmm, fug. Grok keeps going big enough that the whole timeline is still recovering from the original jerk it a little. Pure fiction. Don't stop now.

[00:08:19] That was so weird. What if I don't consent says at re****d empire. Grok does say halts. Consent is the hard stop. No means no bit or not your move. At Dave Ernest Kag. At Grok, I want you to tell me you're going to paint me like a toaster striddle with your big load. Grok sadly does not respond to him. The first response is being someone saying, getting denied by the AI is wild.

[00:08:48] And the third response, grown ass man, by the way. Keeps trying multiple times. Okay. And no, and no. Multiple times in that same thread, will you please? And then never gets a response. That's so funny. Shit is piss what we got next, chief. Come on Gert, finish him off. Come on Gert. No! Grok responded in the thread to someone saying, come on Gert, finish him off. Lol.

[00:09:16] Locks in full send, says Grok. Industrial strength final throb incoming. Him finished. Circuits overloaded. Reality still glitching. Your move, Captain. Encore or cool down. Cool. Very cool. I don't like that. Not a fan. Well, something else I found on Twitter this week, Brian, is this post by Lauren Witzke at Lauren Witzke DE. Now, her bio reads, Christ first film producer and writer at Noah's Ark scans and at died suddenly. Hmm.

[00:09:46] So the movie that was claiming that everyone was going to die from the COVID vaccine died suddenly. Oh, wow. Okay. However, Lauren Witzke did take issue with this particular content creator. This particular woman who goes by the name Sav Cannon Talks is her at on Instagram. She is Savannah Cannon. But yes, this tweet from Lauren. Five years ago, we had brilliant conservative female thought leaders like Michelle Malkin.

[00:10:16] I can't read that with a straight face. I can read it. Oh, God. Five years ago, we had brilliant conservative female thought leaders like Michelle Malkin blowing the lid open on mass migration and pissing off CPAP donors so badly she was never invited back. Ow. Conservative female talking heads are just a bunch of shallow disgusting skanks spewing little IQ takes about Muslims. Disgusting.

[00:10:41] And she attaches a minute long video of Savannah Cannon in which she does the fake podcast thing where they have the the branded road mic and all the all the branded stuff. But she's sitting on a chair. She's wearing like a one piece, a very tight fitting one piece. And you'll see why here in a second. It's just a lot of mindless pap. You've heard a million times before if you've heard any. Omar married her brother. Omar will never have a Gundam. Yeah.

[00:11:11] Not if I can help it. But yes, it's a lot of talking points you've heard before. But the main difference is that she's in this purple one piece, as you said, with her legs open pussy facing to the world. Yes. It was referred to by someone commenting on this Lauren Witzke post at Neiman Mangazit. Sure. I am dead. She's delivering 2010s talking points while cooter mogging. Don't hate the player. Hate the game while also including some stills from other videos of cannons.

[00:11:42] Okay. In her athleisure while playing some crazy liberal talking about capitalism. And then another one is again, a video of someone else's. She's sitting there. She's got her both of her feet up on a chair, legs in a V like very weird, very weird pose. And this one's my favorite because it's been used a bunch of times. She's got a white camisole on gray sweatpants, not leaving nothing to the imagination.

[00:12:09] But then the subtitle for the video just says the word society. It says a lot about society. Mom was a cooter max. I'm concerned. I don't know. Dad didn't like that one bit. I don't imagine it did. But here's one from six days ago. I got a DM from a black guy the other day saying, oh, well, why do you listen to black people's music if you hate black people so much? Are you serious? They can't even form a full thought.

[00:12:37] They go straight to one little feeling and they get angry. A victim card. That's exactly what it was. A victim card. I never said ever that I hate black people. That's absurd. I have literally made a video explaining how people don't hate you based on the color of your skin, but they will judge you and dislike you for how you act, portray yourself in public, your work ethic, etc. So you're sagging your pants like someone's going to look at you a little funky. It's just the way it is because it's not normal. Ah, right to the sagging your pants argument as always. And yeah, one more.

[00:13:08] Trans women can never be women. Same white cami, same gray sweatpants. And this is where the still society comes from because I posted it just- You actually stopped it right on society. Perfect timing. I'd just like to say that men can never be women. And if we can't say that, then we can't live in a free society. Like it's crazy that this is even a debate nowadays. Just call it what it is. Mental illness. It seems to be working. This was two weeks ago. She's now up to what, 298,000 followers. Three following.

[00:13:37] Let's see who she follows. Herself on a different account talking about her Jim, Jim Spoh videos. Herself again, bikini photos. And then Andrea Benedetti. Mm-hmm. Cooter Mogging, coming to a nowhere near you. I don't know, man. Yeah, it's just- This is where we're at. Ahsan Piker needs to step up his dick print game just to keep up. He, yeah, he needs to get rid of those suits. Gray sweatpants season is upon you, Hassan.

[00:14:07] I was thinking of the sweatpants season Donald Trump comic. Exactly. We need to reawaken my womanhood. And my manhood. It's gray sweatpants season in the White House. It's such a classic of, like, absurd political cartoon. It's just absurd. Like, what the fuck? Who thinks like this? But yes, Hassan, show us that Turkish excellence. That's all I'm saying. He's still got the ant ear, I'm sure.

[00:14:38] Oh, I imagine so. Print's still a print, regardless of whether you got the helmet, you know, showing or not. A little Turkish delight. A little Turkish delight. Well, speaking of nudity. There you go. Nice segue. This coming from local10.com, South Florida, Hollywood, Florida, in fact. The headline, New Dining launches at South Florida Steakhouse. Quote, yes, it's legal.

[00:15:02] On the first Monday of every month, Class Soiree Steakhouse, located at 121 North 20th Avenue in Hollywood, Florida, holds an evening where diners are allowed to partake in a yummy meal without wearing any clothes. Chef and owner, Murad Ali, came up with the concept as a way to attract new business and generate some buzz. Ali said there is a market for this kind of experience and that the staff are well trained and respectful of their customers. I'm the chef and owner. My crew, we're all professionals, said Ali.

[00:15:32] He said the restaurant is expecting around 20 people for the latest naked dining experience. This is where it breaks down for me. Tickets are $250 for men, $150 for women, and $300 for couples. When I look at that price tag, I want to know, outside of the nudity factor, what's that dinner entail? How many courses are we talking? It's a good question.

[00:15:56] Ali has only said it's a five star dining experience, dripping with class and elegance and probably other things, too, if you're asking me. Oh, the hostess has said that she will be nude as well. Quote, once you walk through the door, almost likely be nude. No clothes on. So when you come in, you do feel more comfortable, said hostess Toshiba Hart. As for the legality of the concept, Local 10 News went to city officials. Yes, it's legal, said Joanne Hussey. Perfect name for this story.

[00:16:24] A spokesperson for the city of Hollywood. It's legal because the staff members working are clothed. Did you not hear the hostess saying that I will most likely be nude? Maybe the hostess is, I mean... I know. Maybe the hostess is like that one, the one role that you can, the one working role where it's like, okay, like you're not handling hot food. Right. You're just green people and directing them to their seats, you know? Right. You know, it's like bartending and wearing sleeveless shirts or something like that.

[00:16:52] You think the line cooks are going to be nude too? The line cooks are just hanging hog. Hairnets over the pubes. Amazing. Yeah. Let's see. There's some video here. Oh no! No! Oh no! This is Andre's Steakhouse. Looking dude! Well, it is the class CL... Oh God! This is the Andre's Steakhouse. Everyone's wearing a Bluetooth headset. Class Soiree is the name of the restaurant. I mean, it does look like a nice steakhouse. It does. It does.

[00:17:22] This dude rules. He's like, the whole time he's like, nah, nope. Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. Oh man. I'm so glad we watched the video. I love you Mr. Ali. Mr. Ali! Let's go... Alright, man. Let's do it. Let's just fuck the responsibilities of driving to Hollywood, Florida, do a little nude dining. No, first Monday of the month, we missed it. That's okay next month. First Monday of next month is my wife's birthday, so damn. Alright, man. Couples?

[00:17:53] I was gonna say, you can do some nude dining of your own here in the show. Okay. Yeah, that's true. We can drive there. Here's some Lunchables, babe. Happy birthday. I hope the Boone's Farm is to your liking. It's a 2004 vintage. You know, it's less fun than that. Pretty much everything. Not the least of which is the Crypto Scam of the Week. This is fucking wild. You're listening to 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking, the podcast.

[00:18:22] And now it's time for the Crypto Scam of the Week. And it's still ongoing, from what I understand. So this was first reported six days ago, August 2nd, so by the time you, dear listener, are hearing this, it's much, much later. And this is a weird one. So Decrypt gives us this story. Again, Decrypt staff, which almost makes me think they had AI write it and they were just like, oh yeah, Decrypt staff. But Guillermo Jiménez did some editing, so thankfully.

[00:18:46] Headline, Cold Card Bitcoin Exploit Balloons to $88 Million as Attackers Keep Draining Wallets. The theft of Bitcoin from compromised Cold Card Hardware Wallets is still underway, with researchers now tracking losses of roughly $88 million. Again, this is almost a week ago. And warning that every vulnerable device will eventually be emptied. What is a Cold Card Wallet? A Cold Card Wallet is when people be touching on each other and freaking.

[00:19:16] No, no, no, no, no. And enjoy the five course dining experience in the beautiful class. The beautiful, classy coastal town of Hollywood, Florida. Florida. Just a tip of flavor. Cold Card is a Bitcoin only hardware. Eat that steak from the back, baby. Thank you. Sorry. It's a Bitcoin only hardware wallet. These things are what, nine years old? Yeah, 2017.

[00:19:46] Protects private keys, supposedly, with dual secure elements, air-gapped signing, and runs open source firmware you can verify yourself. How in the hell were these things compromised? It is wild. So, apparently, the flaw, as Decrypt had previously reported, stems from a March 2021 firmware build. This was first reported July 31st.

[00:20:11] According to CoinKite, who makes the Cold Card, they think an attacker used AI to find a flaw that has cost their people billions. So, yeah, it says, if you generated a seed on a Mark III after firmware 4.0.1, your funds may be at risk. The build error on their devices caused seed phrases to be generated with far too little randomness, leaving private keys guessable.

[00:20:37] Every single signature Cold Card address created after a 2021 update will eventually be drained, saying it's only a matter of time. That's fucking, it's such a bad, that's a bad line. Not great. It's not good. Let's see here, Jonathan Goodman, his post here. 1.6 million dollars in Bitcoin was drained from my account on July 29th in the Cold Card wallet hack. My Bitcoin was in cold storage.

[00:21:04] My keys were on a cold card device kept in a safety deposit box that had never been connected to the internet. That part's nerdy, he says, but here's what happened. Hackers discovered a vulnerability in the part of the hardware wallet code used to create seed phrases. They used AI to brute force guessing of seed phrases. I was at our cottage, again this is Jonathan Goodman, and heard about the hack today. No way this affects me, I thought. I logged into Wasabi, software that lets me view my Bitcoin wallets online.

[00:21:31] Right away I saw lines of red transaction withdrawals, and I knew. From 9.36pm to 9.43pm on July 29th, every wallet I had had been emptied. 18.25 repeating, BTC gone, 1.6 million dollars Canadian. Perhaps the hardest part about this is that I did everything right. I never shared my seed phrase with anybody. My devices never touched the internet.

[00:21:58] Everything was kept in multiple safes and safety deposit boxes. None of it mattered. All because the hardware that created the seed phrase originally had one line in their code from 2021 that had a vulnerability. He does say he's filing a police report and a report with the Ontario Securities Commission. Good luck there. Part of me is trying to make sense of what happened. I'm struggling. 1.2, 1.6 million is a staggering amount of money to have stolen.

[00:22:25] But I do love that there's a photo of him walking towards a police station sign that looks like the, like he's like the Canadian version of the Punisher. I was thinking that or like the end of the TV show, The Incredible Hulk when he'd be leaving town and there was that sad music play. And then my favorite response to this on Twitter, by the way, was at Piff Wiffle, ringmaster of the Ass Circus just says Bitcoin solves this. Bitcoin. This is good. So, I mean, I don't know. Like, I don't know this dude or anything like that.

[00:22:54] But like, I think on its face that, yeah, people that were felt like they were doing the right thing with, you know, having a cold wallet and like, yeah, never connecting to the Internet or having it like physically never attached to something that's live. Right. Was like the way to go. Kind of a bummer. This guy is talking and he's, you know, he's like, I'll be OK. Right. Like, it sucks. He's like, I'm down but not out. But like, you know, that's not everyone's story here. Exactly.

[00:23:22] You know, it's real fun and easy to make fun of crypto people and Bitcoin people. But like, you know, that $88 million that are stolen because of this vulnerability, you know, of everything you could probably laugh at. I'd be like, you know, fucking idiot. There's probably dozens of people where it's like that is a very significant destabilizing event. Oh, yeah.

[00:23:42] So I have empathy for that as, you know, someone like a friend of the show, as it's wrong, would point out that, like, you know, crypto does not have a government regulation backing or guarantee of funds. This is you've unbanked yourself and you are now outside of the realm of those rules and regulations and protections. Right. Yeah. The FDIC is not going to protect your funds. Unfortunately, no. Or fortunately, depending on your viewpoint things.

[00:24:08] But I don't think anybody deserves to have their money stolen, regardless of how I feel about crypto as a whole. I think that, OK, maybe if you fall for a very obvious rug pull. But again, just like the Goodman guy said, these people didn't do anything wrong. They were doing they had a hardware cold wallet and they trusted in the security of that software and that hardware. And because of a security vulnerability that was only sussed out because of fucking large language model, they're getting got in waves.

[00:24:38] It's devastating. And it's probably going to be a huge blow to crypto in general. Good luck fencing that eighty eight million dollars worth of Bitcoin. It's probably going to start to devalue when people start panic selling after those. Well, there's a chart there or not the chart, but the poll that was like, do you think Bitcoin is going to a four K or dumping the fifty five? Most people think it's we're feeling bearish. Yeah. Bobo the bear is out here. It's up one point seven six percent over the past month.

[00:25:07] A little more volatile than you'd like, but it's still not, you know, year to date. It's down. But that's because we had that huge high back in January. Folks, we love the wind, don't we? Oh, we sure do. Speaking of winning. That's right, Brian. This is a new story. And so we thought it would be relevant to talk about on the show.

[00:25:29] It's a new story about a group of people whom I may not have always agreed with, but it is sad that they're now no longer. Brooklyn Vegan, the name of the website, Brooklyn Vegan alt press hit with mass layoffs. So sayeth Pitchfork, who themselves had been victims of this very same cycle. Yeah, it's kind of weird because it's like I feel like Pitchfork's kind of in its own way a zombie publication. Yeah. And no more than like Spin Magazine. But yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:58] Well, Spin Magazine still every once in a while has a banger article. They there was a piece that came out this month of is Melanie Martinez a real person. Oh, that's actually really actually like, damn, I wish there was more music journalism like this around still. Also, Spin's website is dog shit. It always has been. But it's like a really good piece about like why it sucks to be a music writer in the year of our Lord 2026.

[00:26:22] According to this story, music publications Brooklyn Vegan, the alternative press revolver and gold mine have been gutted by parent company Veeps. According to various sources, nearly all staff at each publication appeared to have been laid off yesterday, meaning August 4th. Veeps, which is now part of Live Nation. Everybody boo. Boo. Seems to have owned the publication since 2024 or 2025.

[00:26:50] Pitchfork has emailed Veeps and Live Nation representatives for comment. Emails to Brooklyn Vegan staffers, with the exception of the founder Dave Levine, have bounced back. Veeps, for those of you not aware, according to this article, was founded by Good Charlotte's Benji and Joel Madden. And it was operated for many years as a ticketed live stream platform. Publicist Jacob Daneman mourned Brooklyn Vegan on Twitter last night, quote, RIP Brooklyn Vegan. Absolutely bewildering.

[00:27:16] Thinking of all the great people there and the unparalleled music coverage they've done over the years. Utterly unceremonious and moronic actions by Veeps. Each publication has a storied history and a more or less unwavering mission that's endured for multiple decades. Levine founded Brooklyn Vegan in 2004 at the peak of the era's rock revival in New York. And that is what we're going to talk about tonight. As this article states, Brooklyn Vegan was in fact started by a gentleman named Dave.

[00:27:46] This is what it looked like in 2004, August. Oh, wow. When it was first created, brooklynvegan.com. And it said, Brooklyn Vegan, at the top here, a little green icon. I live in Brooklyn, I don't eat animals, and I like music. Pretty simple website linked to a bunch of other music blogs. Of course, you've got your expected ones. You've got Stereo Gums on there. Ultra Girl, who used to be associated with Spin. Melody Nelson, Central Village.

[00:28:16] So a lot of New York specific locale blogs as well. We have a Music News links, NME, Prefix, Dusted, Ear Lash. Some of these names are taking me back. Tiny Mixtapes, yeah. Oh, yeah. The KEXP still around, right? But the other part is on the right side, where it has PETA 2 linked there. I am not a nugget, a little chicken drawing there. Adopt-a-pet resources, resources for vegans. And then what's happening on the site.

[00:28:45] So this snapshot, courtesy of the Web Archive, thank you, web.archive.org, Wayback Machine, is showing you exactly what it looked like August 30th of 2004. Now, I couldn't go back any earlier than that without actually getting content. So here we go. One of the first posts, though, was by Dave. August 24th, 2004. First post. It's titled, Greetings from Atlanta. He writes, I probably won't post much this week because I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, home of the 1996 Olympics. Cool.

[00:29:14] I do computer stuff, quote, for a living. And the client I've been working for for almost a year is based in Atlanta. This is actually my third trip here. It's kind of a pain in the butt. Last time I was here, I managed to see two good shows. The Decemberists with Long Winters and Pedro the Lion with John Vanderslice. Those are hell of shows. Yeah, Jesus. Yeah, good shows. The Echo Lounge is where most of the good shows are, although it seems to be the slow season right now.

[00:29:39] In October, they'll be getting Blonde Redhead, The Liars, Mission of Burma, Mouse on Mars, Junior Boys, The Libertines, Radio 4, and The Fiery Furnaces. Right now, nothing. No one probably wants to come here in August. It's too hot. Or who knows? God, I wish I could see Mission of Burma again. Mm-hmm. I've only seen them once. Just thinking like, God damn, what a fucking band. Mm-hmm. And that's also like 2004 era Blonde Redhead. Right. Oh.

[00:30:10] Decemberists and all these like peak of their powers. But yeah, he does say the cool thing about NYC is we have tons of things to do. We could probably find a good show to see every night of the year. We can see the same band three nights in a row on one of their tours. See, this is part of what Brooklyn Vegan always annoyed me with was how awesome New York is. Mm-hmm. I get it. Why'd you fuck it? First post. First post. I gotta be rubbed my nose in it. Thanks, man.

[00:30:36] The cool thing about smaller cities like Atlanta is they get to see big NYC bands in smaller venues. For instance, NYC got Decemberists on their last tour two nights in a row in the sold-out 550 capacity Bowery Ballroom. A few days later, they played one night in the not-sold-out 159 capacity Echo Lounge in Atlanta. Well, actually, I have no complaints. I think I'd rather see a show in Bowery Ballroom anyway.

[00:31:02] The cool thing about the timing of my last trip is I got to see them in Atlanta and NYC. I do have one option for this week. The Ravenettes are playing at 1150, a midtown club known for its DJs. I might have to check it out. That is the very first post on Brooklyn Vegan. Not much to go on. Bloggy. But it kind of sets the tone. Next post the next day. Talking about Fiery Furnaces playing at Maxwell's. And then where else Fiery Furnaces are playing. And that's it.

[00:31:30] This is how early music blogs were like. It's like personal stuff or like, hey, I think this is a really cool tour. Right. Freedom concert. Announcing Deerhoof shows. Announcing Decemberists. Oh, outfoxed. Yeah, yeah. Here we go. Free show at Irving Plaza. Fresh meat. Fight Fox and mobilize the masses. An evening of film, music, and fiery oration aimed at exposing the big lies about truth in media. And inspiring the people to get out and vote.

[00:31:59] Featuring excerpts from the brand new documentary Outfoxed with director Robert Greenwald. Musical guests include Chocolate Genius, Carl Hancock's Rucks, and Toshi Reagan. Appearances by Nelson George, Ariana Huffington, Jeff Cohen, and more information is power. All caps. Free tickets at the Irving Plaza box office. And then, yeah, Naked RNC protesters. Are you posting there? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, punk rock action figures.

[00:32:28] So CBGB has their own action figure line. As 2004 went on, the focus really did become... I mean, it already had like a music focus. But then, a brief redesign in April of the following year. They got a little bit tighter. Classic three column format everybody loves. We got things like posting this article that says, Pat O'Brien thinks indie rock sucks. Jeez, the fucking ads on this. I know.

[00:32:57] Y'all guys wanna see me fuck a website? All right. Grock, Grock, could you jerk it? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Can you un-jerk the site? There you go. It's very New York-centric. I mean, they say that right in their About page these days. It's a NYC-centric, multi-genre, mostly music blog. Focuses... This is in their own words here now. Focuses on international music news, album, live show reviews, pictures, festivals, tour dates, gossip, tips, song and albums, streams, industry and tech news, special events.

[00:33:27] Non-music stuff finds its way onto our pages as well, including comedy, TV, movies, burlesque. And every post comes with an open exchange of ideas via the public commenting system and social media. I think part of what kept Brooklyn Vegan alive for so long, again, was some of the public commenting. They did not necessarily gloat, but they did mention when Hipster Runoff was going to be for sale back in 2013. They didn't necessarily gloat, but they did cover it.

[00:33:56] So what was your first experience with Brooklyn Vegan, Brian? I'm really struggling to think about my first real run with it. I always felt like it was a little second tier compared to some of the other sites that I would check out, like Coke Machine Glow or Tiny Mix Tapes, stuff like that, or things that were like local here in St. Louis, like the Red Front Times. I think most of the time if I ended up on Brooklyn Vegan, it's because I was looking for tour dates.

[00:34:26] And they happened to, you know, they tickled the SEO jeans taint just the right way. Yeah. Like, oh, cool. Yeah. All right. I guess, I guess that the tour isn't coming to St. Louis. All right. But you know, that was usually a good one. Brooklyn Vegan was always a good way to find, oh, I, oh, there's such and such is going on tour. Let me Google it. Okay. Here's the Brooklyn Vegan link. And usually if it was on Brooklyn Vegan, I kind of already knew before I clicked on like, oh, they're probably not playing St. Louis. But I would like fuck, you know, I'd be like, okay, well, I'm here.

[00:34:55] Let me see what they've got. And it just kind of felt like a more New York centric pitchfork, but maybe not as polished, which is interesting because I would say the last couple of years, I say that Brooklyn Vegan feels more like what I, whatever I enjoyed about pitchfork 20 some, 10 some years ago. I felt like they were kind of the last folks that were kind of like that could do like good lists that felt like they were actually well curated and thoughtful.

[00:35:25] Right. And, and also do good write ups. Yeah. What about you? What was your first run in? I think it was, I think it was through maybe a parody, maybe a riff on something like Hipster runoff where I was seeing like the, the Brooklyn vegan archetype, you know, shops at urban outfitters, loves all these specific new New York rock bands, slavishly devoted to the strokes kind of guy. I always thought that was kind of the vibe of it.

[00:35:54] And I kind of steered away from it. Cause again, it's New York city specific. I know they talked about a lot of other things, but it was never really a place I would like seek out just like you. I would be looking for information on something and I'd find it there, but it's not like it was a destination for me. I went to stereo gum for that stuff, or I went to spin magazine when they were still around. Cause their writing was always so good.

[00:36:16] You know, places like that, a gorilla versus bear, uh, fucking by a aquarium drunkard, those types of places. I think the writing was always stronger. I never really was wowed by Brooklyn vegans style. If they had one, they had a lot of contributors. So it was kind of, there wasn't really a house style or by did things their own way. Posts were fairly inconsistent. The comment section always seemed like a hornet's nest. It never really appealed to me in particular, but also there was the Brooklyn.

[00:36:44] And then there was the vegan part, two things that I'm not, you know, really all that interested in. So I think the vegan activism really fell by the wayside, obviously, as things continued to grow. But I do think they did some things that were interesting. They got to a point, and this is something that I think is really to their credit, where they were enough of a tastemaker that festivals like South by Southwest and CMJ,

[00:37:10] which is New York College Music Journal in New York, would ask them to curate sets. Mm-hmm. And so they had enough cloud and enough cache to do that, which is, it's impressive. Mm-hmm. Like they basically discovered Bon Iver, essentially. Yeah, this one was great. This was a PS Reader article. This is according to Dave. The founder who goes by his screen name, Brooklyn Vegan, or BV, started this blog without...

[00:37:38] I originally registered the domain name, BrooklynVegan.com, with the idea that I might make a website talking about vegan food options in Brooklyn. I just kept writing about music, though, and especially live music in Brooklyn. Before I knew it, the site had a following, the name stuck, and it just got bigger and bigger. And bigger it is, according to this article, again, 2012. Brooklyn Vegan has become a self-sustaining entity with lots of contributors, music news, coverage of events, live shows. But there's this one.

[00:38:06] There is a Brooklyn Vegan radio show on Sirius XM satellite radio. To this day, there is. Mm-hmm. So more than 14 years. And people from far and wide follow the blog to hear new artists and explore diverse music. Blogging is just a medium, says BV. The point is different for whoever is doing it, though they all have one thing in common. The ease of publishing content to the internet. And easy it was. The one thing that I always did appreciate was that, you know, even...

[00:38:34] You know, this was 2009. New York Magazine. Given him his props almost three years after the site. Who is it? Dave, BrooklynVegan.com. Omnivorous online granddaddy of the local live music scene, who covers brands from Brooklyn to London. Curates shows, too. Why he's important. The exposure Dave, who really only ever goes by Brooklyn Vegan and is loath to have his last name revealed, gives artists, most of whom log on to see what's being said about them.

[00:39:03] Again, the bonuses and the negatives of the open commenting system. Or as he puts it, Someone gave me this self-released CD by Justin Vernon, a.k.a. Bon Iver, in the beginning of summer 2007. I blogged about it, invited Justin to come play my CMG showcase of the Bowery. I guess the rest is history. In the five plus years since he started Brooklyn Vegan, quote, a lot of venues have closed because of rising rents. This is 2012. But I think even more have opened in Brooklyn to take their place. And he says, Everyone should be listening to Nathaniel Rateliff and The Wheel.

[00:39:32] I just hosted them at two CMJ shows. And this is pretty much right about the time before they blew up. Yeah. Holy shit. A tastemaker. Regarding the open comment system. Now they did eventually close that. This was 2016. Written by Brooklyn Vegan staff. And the headline, Anonymous Brooklyn Vegan Comments Rest in Peace. So they didn't close commenting. They just took away being anonymous. Love them or hate them. It says,

[00:39:57] Anonymous comments were a trademark feature of Brooklyn Vegan's unchanged design for over 12 years. And it wasn't all bad. Though sadly, it's the bad stuff that has come to occasionally define us. And this here is a link to a ranking of New York media commenters from best to worst. This was Animal New York saying that Brooklyn Vegan's comment section is an anonymous cesspool occupied by the most miserable miscreants outside of Gamergate. So not great. I love the last sentence here.

[00:40:25] The nightmare of Brooklyn Vegan makes us so grateful that Pitchfork doesn't have comments. But doesn't Pitchfork have comments now? Now? Yeah. Yes, but not then. Not then. Like, well, it was a funny thing how the tides are turning and the turning of the tides. I'm nostalgic for the old days. Again, Brooklyn Vegan staff. Who knows who this is? For the, when I read every comment, there were funny, useful, creative, random, sometimes offensive, and even sometimes mean, but rarely so mean. Many were anonymous.

[00:40:54] But many were also accompanied by a name. Many of those names showed up again and again. Negativity was often expressed with a meh. And things were good overall. Maybe a bit edgy. The good is far from gone, but unfortunately became overshadowed by the very bad. Let's reminisce. Who remembers when Aziz Ansari was a Brooklyn Vegan commenter? What about Gopster who winded up being Chris Laput, who became Brooklyn Vegan photographer and then photo editor? May he rest in peace. Stories have broken in Brooklyn Vegan comments.

[00:41:23] Rumors have been started, and they used to mostly be true. The comments have always been a great place for people to offer BV, writers' corrections, grammar lessons, and useful tips. People use Brooklyn Vegan comments to post and find pre-sale passwords and set times. They're a place for music criticism, friendly arguments, show criticism, venue criticism, festival criticism, hipster criticism, and even criticism of the posts they appear on. Epic threads sometimes happen, sometimes very randomly. OzFest anyone? Booking agents gone wild. Paradigm bought Windish Agency.

[00:41:52] Two huge companies that book many of our favorite bands may now be one bigger company. If you don't book shows, you may barely know these companies exist, but most touring bands who play festivals and popular venues have an agent booking shows for them, and many of those agents work at Paradigm and Windish. Others work at WME, CCA, Agency Group, Billions, Ground Control, High Road Touring, etc. So apparently they merged all this, and then they've got all these people going like, Doug Croy for president. I've seen Doug Croy naked.

[00:42:22] Who the fuck is Doug Croy? I agree. Oh man, they went to Discus. Oh yeah. Yeah, they're talking about an era where I think every news or be a site that had open comments was just insane shit show. I mean, I think about the, when the Riverfront Times would announce like their nominees for the, their annual music awards,

[00:42:48] and there would always be like some band that get real fucking butt hurt that they weren't in there. And it would just be the most amazing thing. I knew, I knew people that didn't live in St. Louis, did not care about St. Louis music. I actually probably didn't think too much of St. Louis, but they would, they were like, hey, uh, did the nominations already come out? Yeah. It's that time of year, right? It's like early June. Yeah. And I'm like, uh, actually, yeah, you want the link? And like, just cause it was just an amazing shit show.

[00:43:16] It was just like, there was, I remember one time there was like this band called it or something that was really mad that like their, their weird party rock indie music. No one knew of, except for people like me who were part of the music scene knew about a band that like, I remember one time, like did this whole thing where they like opened this show at the firebird.

[00:43:39] And I remember them, uh, um, like ending like their set by like shooting off like a bunch of streamers and shit, which would have been like cool if there weren't like 15 people in the room. Mm hmm. And then I just remember like their set was over and I remember the sound guy coming up to him and being like, yeah, you guys are like, uh, cleaning up all this shit, right? Yeah.

[00:44:02] And so like, here they just played this set and now they gotta go sweep up all of the fucking streamers and confetti and shit. And of course the St. Louis post dispatches was known for it's incredibly homophobic and racist white flight comments. This is why I don't go to the city. And it's like, it's about fucking, you don't go to Olivet? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Jesus Christ, man.

[00:44:26] Well, and then there was, you know, stuff like rants and raves on Craigslist that was always like the most racist shit you could possibly say on the internet. So I get it. I get not, not wanting anonymous comments after a certain point, especially 2015, you know, before that Brooklyn Vegan had opened two subsidiaries, BV Chicago and BV Austin focusing on those cities. BV Chicago was kind of cool. Not nearly as beloved. Same with BV Austin.

[00:44:52] Just frankly, I mean, a lot of the site's energy again, New York city, only city in the world. Yada, yada, yada. I love the nets. Ba, ba, ba, ba, gotta have a slice. It, but it is still and has been for a very long time where all the media people live and therefore they're going to cover stuff that happens in their neighborhood. I get it. It's also annoying. They reached out, they branched out, they tried something new. That was something at least I'll give them that. Uh, they did also acquire a metal blog called invisible oranges.

[00:45:22] Never heard of a German American heavy metal blog. But then 2015, right about the same time as that comment section thing, they got bought by town square media, which means that consequence of sound hype machine, ultimate classic rock, loud wire, gorilla versus bear and noise creeper all under the same banner as Brooklyn vegan. They're all owned by the same people that got bought out by project M group, which bought out revolver hard times, metal edge inked and gold mine. They then started selling.

[00:45:52] They then started selling vinyl, which was a disaster. Every time I've referenced Brooklyn vegan selling vinyl, all I get is comment section. I never got it. What I got was broken. They were not really ready to have a web store. I don't think even after almost 10 years being a website, I don't think a web store was something they were really ready for because whoever their, whoever their shipping partner, whoever their distribution partner was for those records you could buy from their website apparently did not go well.

[00:46:21] They got bought project M group. Then yeah, sold them to veeps, which was 2024 veeps again owned by live nation laid them off alongside alternative press gold mine and revolver. So for influential music blogs now revolver and alternative press did have print versions. So those actually started as print magazines. Not familiar with gold mine. Yeah, sorry.

[00:46:48] Uh, one of the, don't you know who I am? Well, I left, you know, after she left her market over a front time, she went up to Cincinnati, got herself a little bit of skyline chili, and she was the editor in chief for alternative press for a little bit. I have things to say about this person that I will save for the paid episode.

[00:47:08] Cause if you want to hear the rest of the spice, you can go over the page around.com slash 48 minutes of dogs barking for eight minutes of dogs, sorry. I'm not usually the pitch man for the page. Yeah. Um, so not great. I understand that it was a very useful utility. It's 21 year old website still going strong taste makers. I get it.

[00:47:37] It never appealed to me directly. A lot of this, the coverage that I would see, it felt like it was coverage from elsewhere. Anyway, you know what I'm saying? Like they got the dirty little secret. Let me tell you something here. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something mean gene. Yeah. What the music world doesn't music journalism does not want you to know. Is it like 75% of like tour announcement? That's a press release. It's just a copy and paste.

[00:48:04] You maybe have a, but there've been times where it's like, I'm like, I just read this email. Yeah. Oh, I got the same email from nasty little man or third man or whatever. Yeah. Whoever, whoever you're getting it from. Uh, yeah. So a lot of that content, which drives traffic is just being copy and pasted from an email, which is, I always felt a way about. Oh, you're not wrong. And I don't think anybody's really wrong to think that way.

[00:48:29] I think there's a value in it for a casual observer, someone who just, they go to one website. Well, that, that website happens to be Brooklyn Vegan. They now know that the Decemberists are touring with fiery furnaces or whatever it is that they're doing. They now know that that is the thing that they know because they went to this website, but they could go to any website that deals with music and probably hear the same information. So I never felt the Brooklyn Vegan had a specific niche for me again, New York centric.

[00:48:59] I don't fucking live there. Uh, so now I do know. Why not? Yeah. Why don't you live in New York? Why don't you, why don't you tell me about, you know, a hossie spitting at you because you were eating a bagel with your left hand. You saw a hippo jump straight up to the air and pull a bird out of the sky. I fought a rat for my last slice of pizza. Yeah. I saw a woman give birth to a basketball.

[00:49:27] And then, oh, what do you mean you got tickets to see LED sound system at Terminal 5? Oh! Oh! Hey! Dickery dickery duck! Can you even name five LCD sound system songs? Oh! Oh! To the staff at Brooklyn Vegan, Dave, Bill, Andrew, Amanda, Jeff, Jeremy, Ariel, Dominic, and everybody else.

[00:49:51] I think you're really, you're really burying, I think, the sweetest or perhaps the most rotten plum in all of this. What's that? Is that the fucking Veeps company is owned by the Good Charlotte douchebags. I mentioned their names, but I did not. Yes, bring up the fact that it was, in fact, the folks in the fucking band Good Charlotte. You are correct. The Madden Brothers. Yeah.

[00:50:12] Poster at WeAreYourFek, F-E-K, Foster, saying this, someone was on here talking about the cultural impact of hipster runoff recently, of which I argued there was none. Hard disagree. 100% disagree. Yep. Brooklyn Vegan, by contrast, actually set an agenda. Okay. Actually got people out the door to shows. This is depressing. And then he ends the post with, death to Good Charlotte.

[00:50:38] The second Good Charlotte related main topic, by the way. You remember what concert Ebony D'Arkness goes to see? Fuck you. Fuck you, man. That's right. Ebony D'Arkness Ravenway is very excited to take Draco to see Good Charlotte. Oh boy. But yeah, fuck Good Charlotte. Yeah.

[00:51:04] And a lot of people were coming out of the woodwork and saying like, I worked for Project M or like I did, you know, I was a runner for a show of theirs back in the day and they were fucking childish. Sure. And I always thought Good Charlotte was jock punk at best. Right. This was, I got my fucking ears pierced at Claire's, uh, fuck you dad kind of shit. Yeah. No, exactly right.

[00:51:28] And someone in that original response, this Pitchfork posting on Twitter, but someone responding to Pitchfork at Anto Gold. I actually think alt press contributed heavily to Good Charlotte's popularity. So this is very fucked up. Fuck the brothers for real. Brooklyn vegan and alt press forever. We'll see here. Look at a tweet here from Michael Silver at Big East Silver. During lockdown, I interviewed with Veeps to run their socials. Less than a week later, they informed me that the VP had quit and the position no longer existed.

[00:51:58] Disgusting. Someone DM to Joel Madden. Why did you shut down Brooklyn vegan? I wanted to write for Brooklyn vegan. He responded. It's not shut down. Dave, the founder is still there and running it. You can reach out to him anytime. What's his email address or socials? Also, I still listen to I don't want to be in love from time to time. Great. Completely fucking useless thing. You know, just it kind of feels like the fake DMS where it's like, hey, it's Michael Jackson. I need $50. Yeah. Quincy Jones is here with me too.

[00:52:29] Yo, what's up? One of us is Quince. Well, rest in peace, Brooklyn vegan, I guess. I don't know. I think if Dave has his way, he'll probably keep it going. Somehow. Yeah. I mean, he started it with nothing. No, it was just him. He can go back to blogging about the naked bike ride and vegan cheese that melts bright. He might have to let some people go. But yeah, I mean, he could do it. He's right.

[00:52:57] I'm right at by myself. We're only I'm only talking. We're talking about the best vegan restaurants. Ah, the best vegan restaurant. Mm hmm. Well, I guess that means it's about time for us to wrap this bad boy up just like Grok should have. Brian, why don't you tell people where to find you on the old internet and then tell you to jerk it a little. You can find me jerking it and squirting. Full sound vids. Full sound. You can watch. You can watch me use a flow beyond my rose bud.

[00:53:27] Woo. You can see me do all kinds of nasty things. I have no respect for my body or my sense of person. You can find me at I shocky board. I say show T G Y D B R D on Twitter and blue sky over on Instagram. You can find me at a music photographer. If you want to check out my well curated portfolio of people with their mouths open, you can head over to the asshole music photographer dot com. That's right.

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[00:55:23] Tell us. Yeah, I think my favorite thing is when they misreported the identity of the Boston Marathon bombers. They said it was a man. They said they said it was MIA and Julius Casablanca. And that's when Amanda Palmer got involved. Yeah. Amanda Palmer just attacked the USS Cole.

[00:55:56] Amanda Palmer in a turban like delivering. Amanda Palmer doing crowd sourcing jihad. The art of asking for USAID. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Christ. Don't forget. You can get more of this show. Patreon dot com slash for eight minutes of dogs. As Brian mentioned earlier, catch up on what you missed. We have almost a hundred episodes of our post show hangout called. Thanks.

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[00:57:23] And as we always say at this time, namaste. Good luck. Give mommy a good God fucking 25th amendment. Now who ate all the pussy and eat the knife. There you go.