Episode 98 : I Gotta Get My Irredeemable Filth

[00:00:00] I don't want fruits and veggies, what I really need is two gate ads to blow my back out good

[00:00:03] and hard in the next Monday.

[00:00:04] 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking, 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking, 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking,

[00:00:12] 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking.

[00:00:18] Brrrrrooooww!

[00:00:21] Brrrrrroooow!

[00:00:26] 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking, 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking,

[00:00:39] I was guilty of only nutting.

[00:00:42] I offered her a towel she said thank you

[00:00:48] Oh this country is country is going to the dogs

[00:00:52] So he's already Donald Trump by the way guilty all 34 counts 34 in a row 34 in a row

[00:00:59] My favorite story to come out of this. This is New York Post

[00:01:03] Chaos outside the courthouse says Trump flasher rips a sign out of protesters hands

[00:01:09] here's a people reacting to the verdict and going a little nuts and then

[00:01:14] This lady here in the in the MAGA hat is

[00:01:17] Arguing with the counter-protester with the t-shirt on says Trump lies all the time

[00:01:21] He rips the sign and then they get into a bit of a scuffle

[00:01:25] This is like some high school shit. Yeah, like no that's my bathroom by works fucking. Yeah lotion and then yeah

[00:01:32] ah

[00:01:36] Germanata flashed her breasts at the man and yelled transsexuals for Trump hell. Yeah

[00:01:46] Things to fucking crush cans down

[00:01:49] Recycling center Germanata a self-described sexy 42 year old transsexual who likes Trump was among 20 supporters

[00:01:56] Including New York City's fame Times Square naked cowboy. Oh, yeah, you didn't know that you know that guy was I forgot that

[00:02:02] He was killed. Yeah, I got a Q-Nong guy for a minute

[00:02:05] And a really funny blurring job by the New York Post

[00:02:09] They just kind of sort of blurred it a little bit

[00:02:12] Just really the

[00:02:14] Well in the thumbnail here for the for the tweet a little bit more yeah generous with the

[00:02:20] Mosaic King, but yeah the stuff in the actual article is this like yeah, he's got the nipples pretty much

[00:02:24] Yeah

[00:02:25] It's whatever

[00:02:27] They had to get the need to be getting scooped on the flashing

[00:02:33] Lot of great replies about Trump's verdict Ed Zutron, of course

[00:02:38] Probably the best of them all he's got a several of them, but my favorite one is great

[00:02:42] Everyone's making fun of a neurodivergent entrepreneur very mature you guys

[00:02:48] Fart here Donald Trump sir did a recent behavior. I believe you may be suffering from undiagnosed ADHD and or imposter syndrome

[00:02:55] I recommend you watch

[00:02:58] Inside ASAP

[00:03:01] Rory blank former guest of the show all my life

[00:03:04] I've dreamed of seeing a president get convicted of something anything really what a thrill

[00:03:09] Dreams really do come true

[00:03:11] And of course someone resurrected the old JF from your Kickstarter sucks the

[00:03:16] Well, I'd like to see old Donnie Trump wriggle his weight out of this jam

[00:03:20] Trump wriggles his way out of the jam easily. Ah well nevertheless a tweet so

[00:03:26] Time maybe time to retire that one. Let's see here

[00:03:28] Yeah, Ed Zutron again Google search of who Donald term house of decline

[00:03:34] Drawing Jeff T. Drake having his brain explode. Yo, what the fuck?

[00:03:40] And Joshua P. Hill read let this radicalize you

[00:03:45] Running political prisoners ads you can't make this ship up and yeah, so the folks have you have you heard of the prison industrial complex?

[00:03:54] Terrible terrible thing you never got here about it more than for me and my campaign. That's right

[00:04:01] Let's see at SLC the log

[00:04:04] Logging out don't hit me up real friends know what's wrong

[00:04:07] Slash-slash streaks, and it's got a really awkward photo of Donald Trump

[00:04:11] But looks like it's on snapjack and then the onion the best headline Trump executed

[00:04:19] There is no article it's just that

[00:04:23] I had to click through to make sure they didn't sit there writing and it was published March 23rd of last year

[00:04:31] amazing

[00:04:33] So good, that's just a fucking crap. I am uh I

[00:04:37] Think the only thing left for him to do is to get off. Yeah, that's what you were saying via via text with me earlier

[00:04:43] Like oh man, he should just get COVID again. And like yeah, I just it would just be a nice little bow

[00:04:48] A little button. Yeah, I just kind of stuff is that really was like

[00:04:53] I think when the last times we all really on the internet just kind of like came together was like watching him

[00:05:00] Struggling the breed on the mezzanine. Yeah at the White House after getting off Marine one just

[00:05:10] Then hearing this story about him going out like Stan Chara I still

[00:05:16] The phrase going out like Stan Chara is stuck in my brain ever since I just

[00:05:22] Don't want to go out. I don't want to go out like just Stan Chara

[00:05:25] I don't know who Stan Chara is honestly. It's probably no friend of his real estate guy

[00:05:29] I think he might have gotten

[00:05:31] Laced up with like some corruption charges or something like that

[00:05:35] Okay, he's like someone that would have run and some the same like real estate circles as Trump like back in the 80s

[00:05:42] I believe I think he died of COVID-19. He died of COVID. You got the fucking bug. Yep

[00:05:47] vaccine

[00:05:52] Operation Warp Speed wasn't quick enough to save a Stanley chair

[00:05:57] Stan I'm sorry. We didn't introduce the show. It's 40 minutes dogs barking my name's Jason

[00:06:01] This is Brian. We're just too excited. So it's like Christmas Day. We're lip-tired up in here. We are I'm with her

[00:06:10] I'm breaking out all my are for being here Jason. Yes, of course and sharing this space with me

[00:06:17] You're supposed to be like I live here

[00:06:20] What we need thanks for being oh, okay shit he lives here now. I've now I've really done it

[00:06:27] No, I was like I'm getting on my

[00:06:29] My RGB we see you Jason exactly. I got my RGB color on

[00:06:35] I'm crossing my arms. Oh Elise your

[00:06:39] Trump conda forever. Yeah

[00:06:42] I'm doing the whole bit

[00:06:44] I'm yelling about co-feifei in my backyard

[00:06:47] Just big Lee big Lee. Yeah, I got great brain folks

[00:06:56] Well Joe Biden had a weird week to begin with this bit here from Stephen Colbert's light show is

[00:07:03] Probably the most cringe thing you're gonna hear on the show so far. I don't know we'll see skibbity Biden

[00:07:20] What

[00:07:25] Yes, I hate that. Yeah, that's a really awful

[00:07:31] Skibbity toilet but with Joe Biden's head on it. It's only 19 seconds, but it feels like an eternity. It really

[00:07:38] You know, it's painful. I think of you know

[00:07:42] Also sing to one latest episodes right now retinas we're talking about

[00:07:46] Final fantasy rebirth and just like oh, yeah

[00:07:49] It's like like eight hours and I feel like I'm really not in that far and I'm thinking like

[00:07:55] That's probably like a joyful eight hours. Yeah, probably feels like it goes by a lot quicker than 19 seconds

[00:08:01] Yeah fucking derivative fucking bullshit. I

[00:08:05] Think Stephen Colbert has not been funny for a long time. Mm-hmm. I think he's been in sufferable way

[00:08:12] You know what?

[00:08:13] Maybe the reason why Dave Lerman was funny was because they learn was also kind of a piece of shit, right kind of an asshole

[00:08:19] Yeah, like I don't think like I wouldn't I wouldn't expect like David Lerman to come visit me in the hospital

[00:08:24] No, yeah, I expect him like send me something nice sure

[00:08:28] You know like maybe a fruit basket, but that guy I wouldn't expect him to go out if he did that'd be nice

[00:08:33] But like it's not expected right

[00:08:36] Stephen Colbert seems like if I told him

[00:08:39] God man. I have diarrhea. He's

[00:08:43] Just got water coming out my ass like I'm good. I'm just like I had some jack in the box

[00:08:50] Right. Yeah, it's not good

[00:08:53] The the jack in the box hit me like a perk got me sweating

[00:09:00] Anyways, I see here we've got Google AI said to put glue and pizza so I made a pizza was glue in it by

[00:09:06] Kay not the populous. Yeah, Kate in the top of the

[00:09:11] Former former Buzzfeed writer

[00:09:14] Over a business insider. Yeah business insider picked her up and thank goodness

[00:09:19] She's she's a she's a treat everything. She writes very funny. Absolutely. And so yes, this article

[00:09:25] I'm not gonna read the whole thing, but there's some some choice bits of it

[00:09:29] as some of you may know that Google AI

[00:09:33] overview was added to Google search and

[00:09:36] Sg

[00:09:38] R01 at heaven rend on Twitter

[00:09:41] Posted this and it was a search for cheese not sticking to pizza and the AI overview result

[00:09:48] Offered a few options to try to help this person in need. The first one was mix-in sauce

[00:09:55] Mixing cheese into sauce helps add moisture to the cheese dry out the sauce. Okay

[00:10:00] But the second one is you can also add about an eighth a cup of non-toxic glue to the sauce

[00:10:06] To give it more

[00:10:09] Obviously is a bad idea and you shouldn't do it. Yeah, that goes without saying don't put glue in your food

[00:10:15] but Katie being the

[00:10:17] Internet weirdo that she has decided that this was the thing that she was going to do so then she takes us through the process

[00:10:25] and

[00:10:27] Straight up went and got the pizza dough sauce

[00:10:30] Nothing of washable school glue

[00:10:33] Nice she got a cabinet. Yep the cabinet Cabot mozzarella is really great the classic cut especially

[00:10:38] I like that and even the Francesco Ronaldo and marinara. It's not a bad sauce

[00:10:43] It's essentially what the Aldi's house brand sauce is this basically the same stuff. So it's the same bottle

[00:10:49] And so yeah, here's a photo two tablespoons of white non-toxic glue adding it to the sauce

[00:10:55] I imagine the amount would be more of a light drizzle

[00:10:58] She writes but an eighth of a cup is two tablespoons and it looked like quite a bit more than I had expected

[00:11:04] I didn't notice the significant change in the consistency. It came out a nice orange color like vodka sauce

[00:11:13] Boy, she makes it with the cheese and the fresh basil there

[00:11:16] I don't like like a bad little hand toss pie

[00:11:19] The 450 for 12 minutes which is too long. She's right

[00:11:22] I do 375 for 12 minutes, but that's me. Look at that cheese. That's just yeah, it's a little burnt

[00:11:28] It's a little bit, you know, that's how that's how my mom likes it

[00:11:30] Yeah, yeah and some people in certain certain cheeses and certain

[00:11:35] pizzas you can bake in the oven I find with a little little bit char

[00:11:38] Yeah, if you burn a little bit of Provelle for example, that's not the end of the world

[00:11:43] But that because you're still gonna get a little bit of that which has caramelized. Yes, it's a crust

[00:11:49] There's a little crust that happens. It's like a little brown crunchiness that it works on some pizzas

[00:11:56] So it depends on the cheese burnt mozzarella not a fan, but again to each their own sure

[00:12:01] But you know every image is a company with I can't emphasize enough don't do this at home

[00:12:06] It doesn't look like a terrible piece of pizza. It really doesn't looks like something

[00:12:10] I would have made like half drunk. Yeah, or you forgot about it

[00:12:14] The oven too long

[00:12:16] So here's a 13 second video of her trying it. Oh, it's good. She says I mean it's on toxic glue

[00:12:23] Like if she was using like rubber cement or something, I imagine it'd be an issue. However, um, yeah

[00:12:30] Just fucking disgusting really on some level, but so she writes my verdict

[00:12:35] This wasn't the best homey pizza I've had I couldn't necessarily tell whether the glue was the problem

[00:12:39] Or that the cheap jarred sauce could have used a little bit more seasoning

[00:12:43] In the marinara's defense, it's hard to complain about taste when you add glue

[00:12:47] But also it was kind of okay

[00:12:49] I only had a few bites because I was afraid about poisoning myself

[00:12:53] That most importantly did the glue keep the cheese from sliding off

[00:12:56] You bet it did and then an accompanying video cheese ain't moving and uh, what does all this mean for me?

[00:13:01] Personally, this means that I'm an idiot who eats glue

[00:13:05] What does it mean for google in the future of ai powered search these goofy ai answers are funny

[00:13:09] But apparently rare a google spokesperson did say to business insider

[00:13:14] The examples we've seen are generally very uncommon queries and aren't representative of most people's experiences

[00:13:20] The vast majority of ai overviews provide high quality information with links to dig deeper on the web

[00:13:25] But still google ai spits out wild answers often enough that it's reasonable to say that there's a user

[00:13:32] mistrust of ai powered answers for now

[00:13:35] The pizza glue controversy is silly

[00:13:38] No one with three brain cells would actually do this

[00:13:41] But we can assume that ai also gives answers that are less obviously wrong

[00:13:46] but still wrong and and then she reports that the

[00:13:51] Origin of the pizza glue joke was a joke made on reddit 11 years ago

[00:13:55] And since google's ai search is based on reddit

[00:13:59] Ta-da

[00:14:00] Friend of the show and a future guest. Yes again. We'll be speaking to him next. A Drupal crown. No, this will be a five timer

[00:14:07] He'll be a shit. Yeah

[00:14:09] That'd be ed zitron. It'd be ed zitron on his uh, his podcast, which is wonderful by the way

[00:14:15] Oh better offline far off line the most recent episode is uh, I believe titled something along the line

[00:14:21] ai is ruining google search

[00:14:24] And he's really just been fucking taking google and facebook to the goddamn cleaners for the last month month and a half here

[00:14:30] Yeah, so much so that if you ask google who killed

[00:14:35] Who killed facebook it spits out the answer from his newsletter. That's amazing. I love that

[00:14:40] So but he was like discussing the same issue and then the fact is like so you get

[00:14:47] A less accurate answer on something trivial like this right right

[00:14:51] But what if it's a real thing like how do you how do you do a turnip kit? Right? How do you do cpr?

[00:14:56] Yeah, it gives you some something that's completely fucked like something that's real like a real issue that needs a real serious

[00:15:03] sincere answer

[00:15:04] And it gives you this bullshit like I mean case in point, you know

[00:15:08] This past weekend, uh, you hosted me and my girlfriend for a little birthday barbecue, which was fucking fantastic. Thank you

[00:15:15] I appreciate it. I forget that burgers can taste

[00:15:19] It's all down to my sister along man that made it's just so good

[00:15:22] It's so fucking good and the burgers the ribs. Yeah, the ribs the ribs

[00:15:26] I could just you're a mensch. Thank you and last year you did the same thing

[00:15:30] I meant to say say something on the podcast about two last year. You did you mentioned it. Oh, yeah

[00:15:35] Yeah, but uh, but just two years in a row just like just a fantastic birthday. Me. Oh, come on. I appreciate and

[00:15:42] The leftovers were fantastic. Awesome. Awesome. Just Jason is such a great little grill master

[00:15:48] Aw shucks. I don't know. Torn nothing

[00:15:51] But about halfway through the our time over here

[00:15:55] We were kind of fucking around with your Alexa and I was kind of proving the point

[00:15:59] Of like well now AI there's these AI responses that give really insane

[00:16:05] Answers and I forget what line of thinking I was going through but there was some there. I was like here miss

[00:16:11] I was able to say

[00:16:12] Is it true that if that you can keep running off of a cliff without falling as long as you don't look down?

[00:16:20] And got a response that was like, yes as long as you don't look down you can keep running

[00:16:25] Yeah, and I remember my girlfriend and your wife being mortified. What you did what? Yeah

[00:16:31] That's because the Alexa the the search that's using I guessing is just pulling that off of google

[00:16:37] I would imagine yeah, and that was also just so you know, I'm not so smarty and way

[00:16:41] That was a thing that was going viral over the last week or so. Yes

[00:16:45] An image cat an image a screenshot of all that

[00:16:49] Illustrating like yes asking that question and getting this response like yes, you know

[00:16:53] Most people can can survive about a second but as long as you keep looking don't look down

[00:16:58] You can keep running off of a cliff

[00:16:59] Oh, and there were some other ones that were obviously fake like someone saying they're depressed and gu will returning

[00:17:04] A result to like jump off the golden gate bridge that was fake, but

[00:17:08] It was amongst these other things and so it was a little bit difficult to tell you impose law and all but

[00:17:14] Yeah, it definitely has not been a good week for google

[00:17:17] And I have a feeling just based on what I know from what's coming up on ed's show

[00:17:22] A better offline and our future conversation with him, which is coming up next week

[00:17:26] It's probably not going to get any better for google

[00:17:29] No

[00:17:30] They're not having a good week to begin with

[00:17:32] Yeah, I feel like I got some some interesting things to discuss with missers at tron next week

[00:17:37] I think I think we both do actually because there's boy. There's been some real maniac shit happening in facebook and a bunch of other places

[00:17:44] And various other tech stories and yeah, because first use is kind of like he was dipping his toe in like talking about crypto

[00:17:50] Some little more low hanging fruit

[00:17:52] And then it's like he got his uh, he got his legs under him and he's like, all right

[00:17:56] Yeah, time to fuck his swing for the fences and boy. Yeah all on the bat

[00:18:00] Yeah, he's bad in a thousand as far as i'm aware like I haven't seen

[00:18:04] Anything from ed's show that is it's not a banger

[00:18:08] But yes, that's to look forward to uh, mr. Ed will be appearing with us next mr. Ed not the worst

[00:18:13] google searcher

[00:18:15] Is bad mr. Zitron. Sorry there we go

[00:18:19] Ah boy, I'm sorry. I this story has fucked me up. So I've been I've been thinking about it all week

[00:18:25] I've been thinking about this because so we all kind of are

[00:18:29] Aware and kind of a osmosis style thing about chris chan everybody is familiar with chris chan if you listen to the show

[00:18:36] We did a patreon on the episode. It was a very very early episode about chris chan

[00:18:41] The long and short of it is chris chan is an obsessive sonic fan who created a character named sanichu

[00:18:49] And has been relentlessly bullied by the internet for the past 20 years

[00:18:52] That's the very very short version is wild to think it's almost been 20 years

[00:18:56] I want to say one started between like 2006 and 2008

[00:19:00] I kind of want to say it was earlier, but I don't want to go again

[00:19:03] Sure sure, but still like the fact that it's getting close to 20 years. Yeah isn't 20 years already is

[00:19:09] Wow the most gang-stocked man and or person woman. Sorry. Yeah

[00:19:14] history chris chan has

[00:19:17] Recently within the past couple years come out as trans and decided that their name is chris

[00:19:22] teen

[00:19:23] And but chris chan still is a nice abbreviation because it works either way. It's gender neutral names. That's why I use it

[00:19:29] so

[00:19:31] The character of sanichu is steeped in all this lore right

[00:19:35] And one of the things that chris chan is notorious for is also wearing a particular sweater he calls the classic

[00:19:42] Say have a blue and red stripe sweater with a white collar called the classic around their neck

[00:19:49] They wore a medallion that was made with graola model magic

[00:19:53] And it is in the shape of their oc their original creation sanichu

[00:19:57] There has been a resurgence now of sanichu and and the quote unquote chris chan medallion

[00:20:03] Being brought up online because

[00:20:06] Someone has received it. This has happened more than once

[00:20:09] Someone has received a chris chan slash sanichu medallion in the mail began to wear it and then had their life fall apart

[00:20:16] They're calling it the chris chan sanichu medallion curse courtesy of know your meme. It is essentially

[00:20:22] Yeah, it says here x user sorry twitter user spree. You laid

[00:20:27] February 21st of this year who wrote a response to an image of nick rickia

[00:20:32] seemingly drunk

[00:20:34] Saying the sanichu curse is real just asked keffels

[00:20:38] So this guy is a youtuber and lawyer this nick rickhaea guy

[00:20:42] Early 2024 he started doing streams where he was

[00:20:46] Intoxicated I guess that's the only safe way to put it allegedly

[00:20:50] Months earlier. He had received a package

[00:20:54] containing a cryptic note and what appears to be a sanichu medallion here is uh

[00:21:00] Here is him on stream. I got to this anonymous letter or the anonymous package. It was postage

[00:21:05] Not paid like I had to pay the postage on it to receive it and it the post office like well

[00:21:10] Where was it sent from and it had my address as the return address with me as the sendee

[00:21:15] Which is not true and in it it had this burned piece of paper

[00:21:20] Which I feel like I'm going to get serial raped here. It says the stars are aligned a new host has chosen

[00:21:26] hail unto thee

[00:21:27] nick chan

[00:21:29] rickhaea chu

[00:21:30] And then with that

[00:21:32] Came this and this was so weird because this came

[00:21:36] Before the mention of sonic in the trademark dispute that we were talking about last night

[00:21:41] a sanichu medallion

[00:21:44] Has um been passed to me. I don't know where this came from

[00:21:49] I don't know what it means other than what it means, but

[00:21:54] That is um

[00:21:55] That happened. Oh man

[00:21:57] This is like the ring. Yeah, he immediately puts it on

[00:22:01] He immediately puts it on upon taking it out of the package

[00:22:05] So may 22nd this past week user on twitter at folder bloat posted a tinfoil hat pepe meme writing

[00:22:12] So let's get this straight someone mailed

[00:22:14] Nick rickada one of chris chan's real sanichu medallions with a letter staying a new host has been chosen

[00:22:20] nick put on the medallion nick then became an alcoholic drug addict

[00:22:25] and

[00:22:26] That's where this whole idea came from

[00:22:29] Chris boar's ghost behaviorist

[00:22:31] Responded to this a bunch of times

[00:22:33] But yes the the chris chan medallion also happened to idubbs

[00:22:38] Let's see here years prior november 26 2015 idubbs posted a video on youtube where he unboxes fan mail in one of the boxes is a replica

[00:22:46] Sanichu medallion which he wears in the video. What the hell is this a fucking cookie?

[00:22:51] Dear mr. I dubs. Thank you for making such funny entertaining videos

[00:22:54] I know that I really enjoy them a lot. Ah, that's fucking sweet in the package

[00:22:58] I included a sanichu medallion that I made I wore it to a convention where I cosplayed as chris chan

[00:23:03] Do you know much of chris chan? Yeah, I know a little bit about chris chan. This was a very good that guy is dead

[00:23:09] He was hit by a steamroller

[00:23:13] He had his uh

[00:23:16] His uh

[00:23:17] Beats by dr. Drayon, um couldn't hear it couldn't hear it the guy was laying on the horn

[00:23:22] The guy dropped his hoagie and it got stuck in the accelerator and he couldn't he couldn't break

[00:23:26] The dog was trying to get it and the dog was trying to the dog was trying to fuck his leg

[00:23:30] The dog died too, which is also very sad that dog was one day from retirement from leg humping

[00:23:37] It's fascinating because this is twice now that this has happened that someone has received this medallion

[00:23:42] And then misfortune has befallen them essentially. Uh, I don't know if it's true, but it feels true enough

[00:23:49] Uh speaking of misfortunes

[00:23:51] I don't know if that's a really good segue or not, but i'm gonna i'm gonna keep it

[00:23:55] The

[00:23:56] Location of the back rooms has finally been discovered

[00:24:01] Yes, we referenced the back rooms when we talked to bitter carella in a previous episode of spar of the creepypastas

[00:24:06] We were back in october twitter user

[00:24:08] Tj xz underscore z announced that someone that they knew made a breakthrough in the long lasting hunt for where the

[00:24:16] Backroom's photograph was taken so for those of you who didn't catch that episode with bitter carella in brief

[00:24:21] The back rooms is a four-chance shitpost where someone said

[00:24:24] Imagine if you can no clip out of reality you wind up in this place

[00:24:28] It's nothing but carpet and the buzz of

[00:24:31] Of fluorescent lights and you can see it sprawling on for eternity

[00:24:35] And it's creepy and maybe there's something in there with you. That's essentially the the back room's post

[00:24:41] The nondescript liminal space was yellow wallpaper carpeted floors fluorescent lights

[00:24:47] Really a nondescript place that could be anywhere what zack parson's might call a liminal space

[00:24:54] And so the location of it was kind of in question. Where the hell is this? Did someone photoshop this? Is this real?

[00:25:01] and it's been kind of

[00:25:03] bandied about back and forth online for a long while and apparently they found this

[00:25:10] According to the archived wayback machine page from 2003 the photograph was made at a place in

[00:25:18] Oshkosh, Wisconsin

[00:25:20] That was Oshkosh RC cars racing team 2002. They were in the process of converting into an RC car racing track

[00:25:28] Most of the images from the page did not survive but two photographs of the east room

[00:25:33] Which includes the back rooms

[00:25:35] Did survive

[00:25:36] And here are the actual

[00:25:38] Photos of it and it's talking about here are some of the old pictures

[00:25:42] fact that was in wisconsin and these were photos taken by like

[00:25:46] Like I guess like slot car racing guys

[00:25:48] Yeah, that feels like an upper midwest thing

[00:25:53] Yeah, yeah, so here's a picture of it as it stands today

[00:25:57] and it is

[00:25:59] Very much what you'd expect is an RC car track

[00:26:03] some pipes on the ground there and

[00:26:05] It's called rebellion a revolution raceway. Now. There's another shot of it. There's a fake campgrounds background

[00:26:11] So you can take pictures there. Yeah

[00:26:14] The exact address was also found 807 oregon street Oshkosh, Wisconsin

[00:26:18] And this is it. This is the blue blue awning just a bunch of guys just eating, you know, bratwurst with their hands

[00:26:26] Hey, I I was the cheese guy. Hey, uh, you ever wonder about liminal spaces? Hey

[00:26:32] Uh, I'm worried how I'm going to drink all this beer

[00:26:36] Exactly right and the last story I have for you this week is just a bit of a goof

[00:26:42] We talked about ai and how google's being ruined by it and some people

[00:26:46] Like this gentleman jonathan ross

[00:26:48] Think that it's going to go even further than that at jonathan ross 321 prediction

[00:26:53] Ai will replace social drinking within five years

[00:26:57] Just as alcohol is a social

[00:27:00] Disinhibitor like the steve martin movie rock sand. Okay, first of all, that's based on serenota bergerak

[00:27:05] But let's not go there people will use ai powered earbuds to help them socialize

[00:27:10] At first we'll view it as creepy, but we'll quickly become superior to alcohol

[00:27:15] Bonus in 20 years people will think of drinking as antiquated and as humorous as attending a seance

[00:27:21] How did people think this was a good idea?

[00:27:24] To which I simply responded

[00:27:26] Come and take it

[00:27:29] It's the come and take it flag with the canon replaced by a coors light can

[00:27:33] Because yeah, fuck that guy

[00:27:36] Humans have been drinking booze ever since we figured out how to make it which has been a while

[00:27:41] I sincerely doubt that ai is going to replace

[00:27:45] Having a hams with your bro on a Thursday night. Sorry. I just I'm not seeing it. I don't fuck that

[00:27:51] All my homies all my homies love their alcoholism. Yeah, I hate being on the computer

[00:27:58] I want to see this turtle I flipped over. Yeah, man. Yeah, dude. Yeah, absolutely. Fuck yeah

[00:28:04] We gotta we gotta flip it back over

[00:28:06] Hell no

[00:28:07] Oh, we might

[00:28:09] What's that about my mother? Sorry the blight around her thing. I was just I thought that's where you were going for with the turtle

[00:28:14] You flipped over. No, I just thought that's like a shithead thing. I got flipped over this turtle

[00:28:18] You want to see it struggle in the sun? Oh, okay

[00:28:20] Because I was like that's a question that that is asked in the in the void. Yeah, this is a void

[00:28:24] Comfort is a question. Oh boy. Oh boy a couple of nerds over here. Look at the nerds

[00:28:32] Next you're gonna tell me you went to the store

[00:28:35] The nerd store

[00:28:37] Uh, well, here's someone who should have gone to the nerd store. That's right. Caitlyn Jenner. It's crypto scam of the week time

[00:28:44] You're listening to 48 minutes of dogs barking the podcast

[00:28:48] And now it's time for the crypto scam of the week

[00:28:51] Yeah, I hit you this one. You did and it became completely insane as the week went on

[00:28:58] Of all the weird fucking things I've seen crypto

[00:29:02] Yeah, I have rarely seen something confuse people as much as this

[00:29:06] Yeah

[00:29:07] The long and short of it is is a Solana coin

[00:29:10] Dollar Jenner. So that was the the coin name was Jenner

[00:29:14] The Jenner token as it were and Caitlyn Jenner was on the internet promoting it doing videos and you know, this is really me

[00:29:22] Here we're gonna write and people are like look at the eyebrows. It's a deep fake. Yeah

[00:29:26] Perhaps Caitlyn Jenner just has really shitty eyebrows or perhaps it was taken on a cell phone camera

[00:29:31] And that should makes you look weird to begin with but yeah Jenner said online multiple times

[00:29:36] Oh, it's not going anywhere, but up, you know, we're behind this coin and we're real

[00:29:40] I mean her entire twitter feed is

[00:29:43] purely

[00:29:44] Promoting this coin. So I mean it even earlier yesterday Jenner is live now on eath

[00:29:50] So they've moved from Solana to eath. Oh, yeah, and of course she's

[00:29:55] A big fan of Donald Trump. So that's not great. Yeah

[00:30:00] But I mean she's all in retweeting, you know, Borovik quote the tweets and

[00:30:06] Talking about market caps and like really

[00:30:09] Yeah, because when I showed to you it was under 10 mil. Yeah, and people I were I was watching were

[00:30:15] We're going back and forth like is this is a top signal? Is this is oh, yeah

[00:30:20] Should we all be taken like people are like, I think we should be taking profit right now like

[00:30:24] Yeah, this seems too weird

[00:30:26] Yeah, one guy in this chat that I lurk in was like, yeah, I'm gonna

[00:30:31] Reduce some of my positions. I would imagine

[00:30:34] Politely, I'm just gonna yeah, I'm gonna close this long here

[00:30:38] Yeah, Caitlyn Jenner's manager Sophia Hutchins did confirm multiple times that Jenner was real

[00:30:44] And the account had not been hacked and so people went okay

[00:30:47] So people started buying but unfortunately I thought you said that gender was real and that the account had not been hacked

[00:30:57] No

[00:30:59] The Jenner coin is a really yes, the account had not been hacked

[00:31:03] But some sketchy business happening, which is why it's in the crypto scam of the week because

[00:31:09] The Solana coin rock that was let's see here a guy named Sahil who apparently has been a well known

[00:31:17] gentleman from India who has previously worked on other coins

[00:31:23] according to

[00:31:24] Crypt

[00:31:26] Caitlyn Jenner launched the Jenner Solana meme coin Sunday through pump.fun, which we talked about in a previous episode

[00:31:32] Interesting this seems like seems like this is a thing

[00:31:35] It does two days later

[00:31:37] The Olympic gold medalist is claiming Sahil Aurora the promoter she worked with quote owes her lots of money

[00:31:43] So Aurora helped launch the meme coin on Monday Jenner got in touch to say the crypto promoter owed her a lot of money

[00:31:49] Quote he's gone radio silent after showing a couple of wire transfers, but she didn't stop there

[00:31:56] She made her thoughts public quote fuck Sahil. He scammed us big time

[00:32:00] Aurora claims to be well connected for celebrities for whom he says he helped launch crypto projects

[00:32:06] He claims for example, Lindsay Lohan sold your boy Liam Payne from One Direction

[00:32:11] But of course people are skeptical of this

[00:32:13] Caitlyn Jenner

[00:32:15] adding fuel to this

[00:32:16] Despite Jenner's claim that Aurora has gone radio silent the crypto promoter told decrypt. He's still in touch

[00:32:22] I just don't like how she became a key opinion leader. He said

[00:32:26] This is likely in response to Jenner promoting another token bbark

[00:32:31] During the launch of Jenner

[00:32:33] He quickly confirmed to decrypt that he had no involvement in bbark calling it a stupid paid shill

[00:32:40] Jenner took down the bbark post issued apology claiming she was quote fully focused on the original token

[00:32:46] She promised to keep promoting Jenner and said that Aurora is fully out at the moment

[00:32:51] Aurora sent a message to decrypt via telegram saying quote lot coming keep your eyes peeled

[00:32:58] Then

[00:33:01] Azalea, uh, oh, yeah, it's her own token mother

[00:33:05] Yeah with lots of foes of her

[00:33:08] Discussingly ill proportioned bbl

[00:33:12] That

[00:33:14] There's a cake. I would not want to take a bite of after the salana coin comes out

[00:33:20] Aurora takes control of the account basically dumps

[00:33:24] They then launch it on ethereum

[00:33:27] So yeah, Caitlyn again decrypt

[00:33:29] Caitlyn Jenner's recently launched salami and coin dived 66 in price

[00:33:34] After the former lyntv and elen announced a new token on ethereum

[00:33:38] This time she says with the goal of donating a share of fees to support donald trump's presidential efforts

[00:33:49] Essentially

[00:33:50] One token got taken over by this shithead and then Jenner goes, you know what no we're doing this on our own

[00:33:56] But then it's like it's still it's still crypto. It's still fucking weird and awful per aurora himself

[00:34:03] He had no part to play in this new token quote. She's a greedy granny

[00:34:09] He told the until the decrypt people via telegram

[00:34:13] An hour later Jenner took to twitter spaces to announce that her new coin has a 3% attack supplied to all transactions

[00:34:20] Which once a 50 million dollar market cap is achieved will be donated to support donald trump's presidential campaign via

[00:34:27] A super pack

[00:34:29] But yeah, her previous token did peak at 42 mil for a market cap

[00:34:33] It's not too bad. You know the ethereum project topped out at 4.75 mil not great

[00:34:39] Is it a scam? I don't know. It's all a scam

[00:34:42] And when we hear another somewhere online

[00:34:45] Someone's going to get tripped up and do something that's uh legally

[00:34:49] A huge gray zone. Uh-huh if not already

[00:34:53] It might be like double dipping like this on two different platforms might be in that area, you know what I mean

[00:35:00] Everyone claiming that the other one is is ripping the other one off and yeah

[00:35:04] Well, fuck man. There's like people are launching tokens on

[00:35:07] Solana that are just like, you know, like fucking maga now. There's maga

[00:35:12] Someone launched the maga 2.0

[00:35:14] on ethereum to piggyback off of the maga token on

[00:35:18] The original the og okay because usually you have something that's like mean worthy

[00:35:23] So you have like baby trump trump 2.0 or classic trump or something

[00:35:29] You know like shit like that comes out. Sure all these things are destined to fucking make everyone but you money

[00:35:37] But people are just like taking stuff that like meme tokens shit coins from ethereum

[00:35:43] Launching on soul and like rugging in like 15 minutes

[00:35:47] I've seen charts that like they go up. They go straight down

[00:35:50] There's not even like if you're looking at on like a 15. Yeah, there's like a moment where it's like

[00:35:55] Consolidating or like it's about the double top or something

[00:35:58] It literally is goes it goes straight up and it goes straight down like a spike kind of like that save the children coin

[00:36:04] Oh, shit. I forgot about that. That's a personal favorite of mine because it's just

[00:36:08] Baffling soul is just worse. I would say as far as like scams and the absolute drudgery of degenerate

[00:36:17] Crypto, I would say it's more representative of that than

[00:36:20] Biance's smart chain was the stuff that I'm not even paying paying attention for crypt to crypto all that much for

[00:36:27] You know for talking shit with you about this. Yeah, but I still get enough wind of it to be like god

[00:36:33] It's not that

[00:36:34] Stinky. Yeah, there's a lot of shit that just you look at it and you go what the fuck is this

[00:36:40] But this one especially when you brought this to my attention

[00:36:43] I was like, okay, there's something weird going on here and and sure enough within a couple days

[00:36:48] Boy, it blew up and then it was done. There was all this drama and then they relaunched a new token and yeah, it's just

[00:36:56] And adding this whole trump thing to it

[00:36:58] You know, Caitlyn Jenner is a reality tv person. You know, Caitlyn Jenner is an attention hound

[00:37:04] You know that this is kind of like her whole deal. She's been a trump person since day one for some ungodly reason

[00:37:11] I really don't get it her support of trump. I mean and this whole

[00:37:15] Proceeds from this coin are going to the trump defense fund

[00:37:19] mysteriously silent about that after the verdict today about the crypto part

[00:37:24] I mean, do you think the the kin the wheelchair from the burger king kids club? Do you think he's killed himself?

[00:37:30] Jesus christ

[00:37:32] Where did that come from? What the fuck?

[00:37:35] She's just thinking

[00:37:38] So to be clear, what do you think he wheeled himself off of like a really high ledge or just like straight into the ocean

[00:37:46] The ocean, I mean really off a pier. I mean that would be

[00:37:49] Were I in that position it would be okay. Here's the real tiebreaker question

[00:37:53] Do you think he swallowed a bunch of sleeping pills beforehand? Oh to make sure? I don't know

[00:37:58] To be clear, we're talking about a cartoon character. Right is an animated character

[00:38:02] Right. Well, he's real me. Okay, but principle the thing is the same. It's my autism

[00:38:06] Sure. The principle of the thing is the same. He's still an animated character

[00:38:11] I'm gonna

[00:38:12] Sure, why not the sake of not having an argument. Yeah, sure

[00:38:20] Well, it's time to talk about our make for a whopper right now. Yeah, I would I would push someone off a pier for a while

[00:38:27] You think they should do that bring the uh, what would you do for a Klondike bar back?

[00:38:31] But do it for a whopper like what would you do? Oh, didn't they do that?

[00:38:34] I can't remember they did like the whopper challenge or what would you do?

[00:38:37] Anyway, I don't know. I should do that but with higher stakes like would you uh commit arson for a whopper

[00:38:43] Would you would you commit a male fraud? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah

[00:38:49] A double whopper. You got to give me the extra meat if I'm doing crimes because I might not get a good burger for a while, but um

[00:38:56] It's time for the main topic of the show brian this week we wanted to talk about

[00:39:01] Kind of like we've been talking about the past couple weeks about platforms

[00:39:04] We've been talking about about a black sheep and uh fark and all the things and so this was a bit different

[00:39:09] This was a platform specifically for chatting with people. That's right

[00:39:14] I see Q

[00:39:16] I didn't realize this is Israeli company. Yes, originally developed by the Israeli company mirabilis in 1996

[00:39:24] ICQ

[00:39:26] Is supposed to sound like I seek you like I'm I'm looking for you the person

[00:39:31] Which always brings to mind that old website of the guy. I kiss you. I kiss

[00:39:38] But uh, I see q. Yeah, it was a whole chat thing

[00:39:42] Written in c++ which is obviously not easy to do a lot of people can't do it

[00:39:47] Writing something from scratch like this not an easy task, especially in 1996

[00:39:52] They went through a bunch of changes not the least of which was in 1998 when they got bought by aol

[00:39:58] Yeah, I didn't know that icq was owned by aol. It's very interesting what made icq unique was

[00:40:06] essentially an early version of cloud synchronization they were able to

[00:40:12] No matter where you signed in on you're able to get your chat history. That's a common feature now, but again 96 this was

[00:40:19] But they also introduced things like chats with insane numbers of users this here according to wikipedia lists

[00:40:27] chats could take

[00:40:29] Place of up to 25 000 participants at the same time

[00:40:34] Which to me feels like uh

[00:40:36] I'll weigh too many fucking people

[00:40:39] I get on discords with more than a hundred people and I feel like I can't keep up. Oh, I have 25 000

[00:40:45] But man they made it for every

[00:40:48] platform available

[00:40:50] here was

[00:40:52] This piece according to a writer on medium at dimitri o photo

[00:40:58] Here's some great screenshots. Thank you dimitri for this because this is the

[00:41:03] apple 2 version. Okay, we're talking

[00:41:06] Ancient december 97 the client app for windows 3.1 95 and t and macintosh

[00:41:13] And it said total users exceeded five million people with a daily audience of 1.3

[00:41:19] million more than

[00:41:21] 300 000 could be online

[00:41:24] Simultaneously there was massive

[00:41:26] It's um how I communicate with my brother and sister

[00:41:30] For a while like in the early days of the internet when they were no longer living in st

[00:41:34] Louis my brother was often

[00:41:36] San Francisco or my sister was living in columbia

[00:41:40] You know I'd be at my dad's on the weekend. That's how we would talk through icq

[00:41:44] Yeah, it was one of the first things I learned how to use on the internet

[00:41:47] Yeah, yeah for a lot of people it was the uh the stuff that aol bought icq 4

[00:41:53] Which was aol instant messenger, but this was here in its purest form

[00:41:58] Because boy away messages. That was a big one. You get to set yourself an away message

[00:42:02] Mm-hmm. Most people I knew stuck to you know, uh jimmy world song lyrics and things like that. Yeah

[00:42:10] Yeah, I mean you'd get an alert when people were online

[00:42:12] And not the door it's uh, uh, oh is when you got a message

[00:42:16] Uh, oh is when you got a message the door creek was when someone

[00:42:20] Signed on or something. Yeah, and you could set yourself as you know

[00:42:23] Do not disturb

[00:42:24] There's a lot of things that we take for granted in like modern chat that were innovated by icq

[00:42:31] Here's another one find random chat partner

[00:42:35] You can click a button and find a random person to chat with

[00:42:39] so architecturally it was based on stuff from

[00:42:43] peer-to-peer

[00:42:44] And also client server architectures

[00:42:47] Which peer-to-peer most people think of things like napster

[00:42:51] peer-to-peer at the time was things like I don't know ftps or

[00:42:56] Wasn't uh soul seek. It wasn't lime wire

[00:43:00] But anyway, the principle of the thing is the same is that you're in a distributed network like an ftp almost

[00:43:05] Yeah, that's what I was thinking, you know

[00:43:08] The big thing here is

[00:43:10] What I found interesting is that they didn't do encryption. It was just

[00:43:15] Fuck it. Yep

[00:43:18] Yeah, here's this frankly speaking the first few versions were actually sieve like

[00:43:22] By the time we had issued icq 99b a fifth protocol version was already in use

[00:43:28] We should note that the very first protocol was not publicly available

[00:43:33] And then it gives the code data encryption appeared in the in the that version

[00:43:38] and now you've got

[00:43:40] a bit more complexity but

[00:43:43] People really love to use it. It was uh, it was easy. Yeah, you signed up. You got yourself an icq number

[00:43:51] Yeah

[00:43:51] And if you were early early on because it started at one, yeah, right? So by the time I got to it

[00:43:58] I think I had an eight digit number

[00:44:01] I think

[00:44:04] I think um

[00:44:06] My brother was actually pretty hip to this stuff. You know my dad hip to it and um

[00:44:13] I believe the the icq client

[00:44:16] At my dad's house was a five digit. Oh, okay relatively uh relatively early on

[00:44:21] Yeah, um

[00:44:24] But yeah, so the reason we're talking about icq is that it is now dead

[00:44:28] icq breathed its last may 24th the main page announced service will shut down

[00:44:34] June 26th

[00:44:35] It's not shut down yet, but it will be very soon for one now

[00:44:39] Yeah, exactly right. I can't I can't believe it survived as long as it did

[00:44:44] It outlasted aim and aim was I think immensely more popular

[00:44:48] Oh very much so I still remember some aim names of people that I don't

[00:44:52] I thought I haven't talked to in like 20 years

[00:44:54] Yeah, I like I can remember a couple off top of my head of like people I still talk to

[00:44:59] And I bet if I told them like hey remember your aim username was such and such they would probably like oh my god

[00:45:04] Yeah, they would probably like yo man. What's going on with your brain? Well that too. Yeah, sure

[00:45:09] but I got a wife and kids now and like

[00:45:12] I like well remember you stole the back off of that chair and uh science class and you wrote your aim handle on it

[00:45:19] And you put it over your door frame in your bedroom. Nice

[00:45:23] Oh, yeah, that was pretty cool according to tech spot icq outlasted every one of its competitors

[00:45:29] aim shut down 2017

[00:45:31] yahoo's communications bit the bullet mid 2018 and microsoft closed messenger

[00:45:37] 2014 that is very very impressive especially considering aol

[00:45:43] Paid them 287 million in 1998

[00:45:47] Oh, wow

[00:45:47] That's a quiet bit of money contingency payments that started in fiscal 2001 reportedly totaled an additional 120 million

[00:45:55] Pushing the total value of the deal to over 400 million

[00:45:59] Now as you said aim America online

[00:46:02] would basically

[00:46:04] Blow icq's user based numbers out of the water saying that they had 100 million registered users by 2001

[00:46:11] but then

[00:46:12] Very bizarre aol offloaded icq to a russian investments firm

[00:46:18] Called digital sky technologies also known as mail.ru

[00:46:22] Which is now known as vk for 187 million

[00:46:26] Huh, yeah

[00:46:28] icq obviously no longer in the app store or the google play store

[00:46:33] The last version release for them was 2002

[00:46:37] Everything has been moved to the vk messenger platform instead

[00:46:41] Some may be surprised says tech's about to learn that icq was still operating

[00:46:45] Although it was no longer under active development in its years

[00:46:49] The platform shifted its focus towards desktop and included a web version that runs in browsers

[00:46:55] So the latest version of a desktop april 2003

[00:46:59] Looking fairly modern. Yeah. Yeah, I had things like

[00:47:04] Maps and video chat group calls and filters and all sorts of stuff that you basically expect from a modern

[00:47:12] Chat app. Yeah, I'm sure I actually probably had some really interesting features

[00:47:16] But who's going to download for proprietary app when they have facebook messenger and so on

[00:47:23] Well, exactly right. Yeah, I think

[00:47:26] That the novelty for icq was that it was at the right place at the right time

[00:47:31] At that time it was them and aol. That was it

[00:47:34] So if you didn't already have aol as your internet provider

[00:47:39] Well, your option was icq or m irc, but

[00:47:42] Merck was kind of hard to learn

[00:47:44] icq also got

[00:47:46] probably the first

[00:47:48] mobile version

[00:47:50] Before aim even thought of that

[00:47:53] Like what newton palm pilot

[00:47:55] Yeah, now this here is the

[00:47:58] Need palm pilot screenshot there

[00:48:01] Solenoxy cotton on my palm pilot

[00:48:05] Chicken sandwiches

[00:48:09] What who is that?

[00:48:11] Okay, all right

[00:48:13] Brand new dance. Oh, yeah. Okay. God damn. You're all your money. Yeah, geez

[00:48:20] Everybody

[00:48:22] I

[00:48:24] God that record's so good

[00:48:27] Oh, not a long time. Oh, man. Fuck animal. You should go. I know. Yeah. When we're done tonight

[00:48:33] The kids are in bed and you and the wife are about to get absolutely toasted off of one milligram gummy

[00:48:41] Exactly right

[00:48:44] It's you're not wrong

[00:48:46] So, yeah, here's ours. Technica did a bit of a

[00:48:50] Farewell with some of their writers talking about their memories of using icq

[00:48:55] Here's samuel axon the senior editor

[00:48:58] Those of us who used it might still remember our icq numbers there weren't usernames

[00:49:02] but instead something closer to a phone number like we mentioned before

[00:49:06] and

[00:49:07] He drops his icq numbers

[00:49:10] He signed up because he was playing an online game meridian 59 and its community largely used icq for out of game communication

[00:49:18] He also met his girlfriend in high school

[00:49:23] Springfield, Missouri a little boy ish

[00:49:26] It was the first thing I could think of in my life that resembled facebook style social networking

[00:49:30] And it was my first experience with anything resembling online dating. She found my profile

[00:49:35] I sounded cool to her and she messaged me

[00:49:38] I kept using icq for years to communicate with my friends in the m ud and game development communities before other services took over in the

[00:49:45] 2000s

[00:49:46] I probably held on longer the most frankly. I missed that uh-oh

[00:49:51] Messaging sound it was an odd choice, but for me it's iconic. Yeah, it's fucking burned in my head

[00:49:56] That was like one of the things I said to you. Yeah, why when we were first discussing this

[00:50:01] It's still uh-oh. Yeah, it's fucking stuck in my head. Like I will probably think about that sound by

[00:50:07] For as long as I live. Yeah, it's like a three second bit. I'll hear i'll drop it in the episode right here

[00:50:12] Amazing that is the sound of progress. I got like an anime character

[00:50:17] Yeah, or some really cute kids cartoon character about a bee that like pooped its pants or something

[00:50:24] You know something that uh, like maria balford would drop into a Saturday. Yeah

[00:50:28] Back at ours technica benji edwards

[00:50:31] AI and machine learning reporter. Oh boy when icq came out in 1996

[00:50:36] My best friend who was in college at the time told me to sign up for it

[00:50:40] I remember being proud of getting my icq id number

[00:50:44] Also, the icq sound effects were cool

[00:50:46] I also remember using it to keep up with a few friends. I met an ultima online around 1997 and 99 so we could plan visits

[00:50:53] The dungeons together r.i.p. i cq. You were a pioneer who will be missed. Um, so yeah

[00:51:02] Well, I mean it's since been replaced by obviously trello came along ventrilo

[00:51:09] Um discord a number of things that

[00:51:12] Were voice specific. I know discord has a heavy text. Ben was actually really interesting. Yeah, yeah

[00:51:19] Are you a vent user? I used it for a little bit the the one summer

[00:51:22] I played world of warcraft in between semesters. Uh-huh and then I realized like i'm done

[00:51:27] I'm done. I have I have I've scratched my mmo itch and I'm seeing what's doing to other people that i'm playing with

[00:51:34] Yeah, that was a rough time and wow was was fresh and also

[00:51:39] being in a fiat vent group for a long time and

[00:51:43] Finding out that like a a somewhat prominent fiat poster and then twitter personality for a number of years was like just like a raging alcoholic

[00:51:52] That lived in his mom's basement like the middle of nowhere like iowa or kansas or something

[00:51:59] But it was still funny because it's like, what's up drunky?

[00:52:02] Yeah, but it was surpassed by any number of amps

[00:52:06] I mean it I feel like with all the different stuff that i talked about and then it added

[00:52:10] Video chatting it added all its they were trying to play catch up

[00:52:13] For something that they basically invented an instant messenger

[00:52:17] And again four students

[00:52:19] Created it out of nothing. Um, yeah, it's really impressive. But this was also

[00:52:25] The era where innovation like that wasn't uncommon to come from

[00:52:30] You know a couple of young people that had like a good idea and like the time and the resources to

[00:52:37] To think outside of the box. Um, you can go

[00:52:41] Read like douglas rush coughs cyberia, which was his first book

[00:52:45] Which deals with a lot of really early internet culture. It's very interesting piece of literature

[00:52:51] Yeah

[00:52:52] So much

[00:52:54] Of what we take for granted were people that were thinking outside of what ibm was providing. Um

[00:53:01] People who were doing dmt and going the way

[00:53:05] Yeah, it is so weird to think that so much of what we take for grand and and what we hold

[00:53:11] In our hands when we're checking a facebook pay facebook message about like hey, man, uh

[00:53:17] You go into the show right?

[00:53:20] Yeah, like so much that we owe to a guy that was really into like the grateful dead and doing dmt on his lunch break at sun

[00:53:26] Micro systems in like 89. Right and it's an even funnier

[00:53:31] Is these guys originally used icq

[00:53:35] Uh, well while they were working on icq is their initial plan again aris tattnica

[00:53:40] Their initial plan was to launch a service that would make checking beeper messages easier

[00:53:45] That's fuck

[00:53:47] And so it feels like it feels like we're just discovering fire. Yeah. Yeah beeper messages

[00:53:54] Oh, man. So in the process of creating that

[00:53:58] They invented icq

[00:54:01] To keep in contact while working on the beeper message project

[00:54:06] Like it was a byproduct of something completely different

[00:54:10] That's like fucking amazing. That's like if you were working on a new tank for the army and you accidentally invented the car

[00:54:17] right

[00:54:18] Are you trying to find a way to not lose your car keys and you you somehow invented like a new pacemaker? Right?

[00:54:26] what the fuck

[00:54:28] so, yeah, it says uh

[00:54:30] The creators of icq were getting frustrated. They weren't seeing each other's online messages

[00:54:34] They developed icq as a way to communicate from their homes while collaborating on the now pointless

[00:54:40] beeper project and

[00:54:42] I mean shit facebook messenger

[00:54:45] You and I pretty much communicate exclusively there. There's a couple people in my life. We pretty much

[00:54:51] exclusively communicate like if I get like a text from them like like phone the phone

[00:54:55] Yeah, you worry that something's wrong. What's up, man? Yeah, you doing all right?

[00:54:59] You need me to pick you up from somewhere. What's going on? Like like truly concerned. Is she pressing charges? What the fuck? Yeah, that kind of

[00:55:07] People are gonna fucking lie about my cousin

[00:55:09] Right

[00:55:11] But even my space had direct messaging. You know, I mean like there's there's so much of the legacy built into this thing and

[00:55:18] This asynchronous communication. I mean even sms came after

[00:55:24] Shit you got to really figure

[00:55:27] There are so many things that owe a debt to icq

[00:55:30] I mean obviously icq is probably built on the backs of internet relay chat and those kind of things but

[00:55:36] icq itself as a concept kind of in the popular imagination

[00:55:41] At least amongst those of us who were online in 97 98

[00:55:46] Paved this huge way and I don't think

[00:55:50] Beyond the aol buyout. They've really gotten their due, you know what I mean, right?

[00:55:55] It was so innovative and forward thinking

[00:55:58] um, I think perhaps what we're kind of the thought we're kind of circling around here is that the technology was good

[00:56:06] but the presentation

[00:56:08] was

[00:56:10] You had to be kind of a nerd. Yeah, it was definitely not easy to use. I still don't know how my dad figured it out

[00:56:17] At least in setting yourself up and getting a number and doing all that

[00:56:21] But if you knew someone's number you could find them, you know

[00:56:25] There have been other products since then that have made this a lot more frictionless a lot of social medias

[00:56:30] a lot of things like that that have

[00:56:32] superseded it in a number of ways

[00:56:35] But the basis man that the core idea is super solid and and and it's it's

[00:56:40] Insane there's four people, you know just while they're working on something else

[00:56:45] Yeah, and they create something that just changes the the course of the internet

[00:56:49] I mean, that's just still the part that's like getting to be using well

[00:56:52] We were working on something else, but they're high school kids. Yeah

[00:56:56] Anyway, that's that's do you have any fond icq memories, brian?

[00:57:00] Just talking with my brother and being the fucking weirdo

[00:57:03] Yeah, just being like a real indoor kid

[00:57:07] And my brother telling me about

[00:57:09] But yeah, just I'm just being like, yeah

[00:57:12] And he had like a garden department and you tell me about how it flooded. Oh no

[00:57:17] And but he's like it's okay. I used like my the insurance money

[00:57:21] Because I because he had apartment insurance is the insurance money

[00:57:26] To buy a snowboard, so I'm getting in the snowboarding

[00:57:29] I think lasted for a couple years my brother also infamously a bit of an indoor kid

[00:57:34] I think he enjoys snowboarding, but man

[00:57:37] It's a lot effort

[00:57:39] Oh, yeah

[00:57:39] I'm not certainly saying like the effort of like snowboarding just getting there and having the gear

[00:57:46] A few people have told me it's like, I love it, but every the worst part is getting there to do it

[00:57:52] Like getting to the lodge driving there

[00:57:55] All the prep

[00:57:58] You get to wear the fucking weird boots and you get worried about like wearing the tread out on them

[00:58:03] Yeah

[00:58:04] It seems like that would be a pain in the ass to be sure

[00:58:07] Yeah, although smoking weed just seems like it's a lot easier. Yeah, that's folks

[00:58:12] 48 minutes of dogs barking promise smoking weeds a lot easier. You want to be the next president then most things. Yeah

[00:58:20] You want to be the next president, you know what?

[00:58:23] Set your sights a little bit lower and see if you can finish this blunt

[00:58:28] Hit this bitch

[00:58:29] Oh, so unfortunately it did have a couple of things go wrong in the history of it

[00:58:35] According to a novia gazeta article published may 2018 russian intelligence agencies

[00:58:41] Had access to online reading of icq users correspondence during crime investigation 34

[00:58:48] Sentences issued by russian courts

[00:58:50] That a lot of the evidence was obtained by reading correspondence on a pc or mobile in six of the 14 cases in which icq was involved

[00:58:59] The capturing of the information occurred before the device was seized so

[00:59:04] Because the rival service telegram blocks all access for the agencies the advisor of the russian president

[00:59:11] Herman clemenco

[00:59:13] recommended to use icq instead

[00:59:16] As of last year an investigation by brazilian news outlet new clay ojolismo

[00:59:21] Found that icq was used to freely share child porn

[00:59:26] So, huh, not great. It's gotta get shared somehow, right?

[00:59:30] Gotta wake up in the morning. I gotta get my irredeemable filth across the internet

[00:59:36] I'm really glad the icq is holding the torch for me. No more as of next month, but um

[00:59:42] We'll have to just go back to carrier pigeons. Yeah

[00:59:46] Those two things not so great

[00:59:48] I definitely wouldn't be planning any sort of political action on icq because

[00:59:52] As we noted encryption was only added, you know in the past 15 years or so. Does that does not seem viable

[00:59:59] Yeah, not great

[01:00:01] And now the moment you've all been waiting for

[01:00:05] shock dot gpg

[01:00:07] Hey who speaking of filth what do you got for us this week? Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. I was um

[01:00:15] I've been looking for this one

[01:00:16] I this is i've been looking for a man with certain skills right with a certain kind of grit

[01:00:21] This is the shock dot jpeg segment of the show

[01:00:23] This week's shock dot jpeg there's a video that was originally hosted by efucked

[01:00:27] But it did have its own website and that website was called

[01:00:31] shake that bear

[01:00:33] Dot com

[01:00:35] Oh, this is you've seen this. You know this. Let's let's see. I got the incognito window going

[01:00:42] I just heard my wife wandering by the window and so it was a hunting video in which you see

[01:00:47] I know what this is. Yeah

[01:00:49] The dogs are going. Yep. They've shot and killed a bear

[01:00:52] And then the male the party is having sex with the woman on top of the bear's corpse

[01:00:58] Yeah, he's doing that and then he says shake that bear. This is uh, this is really going on for way too

[01:01:03] And what a terrible come shot and the last shot of the thing is the dogs

[01:01:09] Just eating the corpse while the sound of the couple fucking continues in the background

[01:01:15] And then they they drink whiskey and that's that's the end of the video. Yeah, that's uh, that's shake that bear

[01:01:22] I haven't thought about that in like 20 years shake that bear

[01:01:26] It's bizarre. Yeah, we did happen to hit that segment right as all of my fucking families in the backyard

[01:01:35] Amazing amazing timing couldn't have done it better if I if I planned it that way

[01:01:39] Hopefully just no one let's this direction without that one saw that that terrible

[01:01:45] Worry come shot after all of that. Yeah, I even shooting three ropes can't well

[01:01:50] I mean look, you know, you're you're you're fucking on top of a dead bear

[01:01:54] Can't give me any excuses cold out

[01:01:56] I try to stay away from like the animal cruelty ones, but this one is seared into my brain

[01:02:01] I saw this I saw this it was a style project link

[01:02:06] That linked to e fucked and I had just really just like the one two punch of gross air in that shit

[01:02:12] Oh, absolutely all it's missing is rotten. It was one of those things

[01:02:16] I saw it

[01:02:17] As a as a young man and I had forgotten all about it and then somebody said something

[01:02:22] I don't even remember out of context what it was but it was something about

[01:02:26] Shake that bear in my mind. I had that moment that pristine moment of like, oh

[01:02:32] Shit, I've seen this

[01:02:35] I know what they're referring to shake that bear and

[01:02:38] I was like, I got I got a fine

[01:02:40] I was so guys it was hosted on e fuck, but it was also

[01:02:45] Had its own url was shake that bear calm. I don't know. I do with like the bears dead

[01:02:50] Like what is it?

[01:02:53] I don't know man Europeans or eastern

[01:02:56] Eastern europeans. Yeah, I don't know hard

[01:03:00] sound russian

[01:03:02] Yeah, aren't the russian supposed to be ones they're like in tune with nature in the way the rest of us aren't

[01:03:07] supposedly according to I don't know Felix either man

[01:03:13] Well, if he's who you're going to for that sort of

[01:03:15] But you see so many videos on online of like russian people or eastern european people

[01:03:19] It's like hanging out with wild animals and like the seeming like there's not a problem going on here

[01:03:24] I don't know the exact origins of the video my initial searches were very fruitless as opposed to like where this happened

[01:03:31] Or where it came from but I mean their their english is not accented. So I don't

[01:03:36] Think it's necessarily eastern european. I think it was just

[01:03:39] a bear in a cold place

[01:03:42] Because they're both wearing the big puppy jackets and and it's so abrupt. It's so odd. There's like we shot into a tree

[01:03:49] You don't see the bear fall, but then there's a shot of the bear that's dead

[01:03:54] Oh, you see the bear fall you do? Yeah, I must have okay. It must have been like

[01:03:58] In the background

[01:04:00] It's not as clear as I don't know if you've seen the one where they shoot the bear off the power line

[01:04:05] It's not nearly that clear. Yeah, but then it just cuts to straight to the fucking. I'm like, wait

[01:04:11] I don't remember hearing you say

[01:04:13] And now we're gonna fuck on the bear or something. I just

[01:04:17] I think that's the shock part of it is it's not so much the

[01:04:21] The wheat come shot or the people the shocking part is the wheat come shot to me

[01:04:26] Everything else is par for the course of human terror and disgusting this

[01:04:30] I guess the five dogs tearing apart the bear at the end was also shocking

[01:04:36] Because that's also is just a hard cut to to that. Sure. Yeah

[01:04:40] And him saying during during the fucking that like we got to be quiet because the dog people are gonna hear us

[01:04:46] Who thinks of this the hunters that I know

[01:04:50] Would definitely not fuck on their kills

[01:04:52] Now granted the hunters that I know on deer, but still the principle is the same

[01:04:57] Maybe these these people are free thinkers and then that bound by the the petty morality of oh, okay the hunter bourgeoisie

[01:05:06] I see I see all right. Well, maybe I'm the frigish

[01:05:11] Stick in the mud prude guy here. Yeah, I think you just need to loosen up there. Yeah, you entirely possible

[01:05:17] I thought I was trying

[01:05:21] These years doing these shows square

[01:05:23] I know what is happening almost almost episode 100. I know I figured that I know

[01:05:29] Well, at some point at some point i'm gonna learn

[01:05:32] Well, uh while I contemplate that let's go to the breathman

[01:05:36] It's time for your mom's favorite part of the show

[01:05:40] It's time for the breath

[01:05:43] Everyone's mom's favorite part of the show everyone's mom's favorite part of

[01:05:48] The show every show so brian what you've been up to this week

[01:05:53] Try and finish moving to this fucking house, right?

[01:05:56] Yeah, he comes over with a with a box of things

[01:06:00] Yeah, it's for uh, it's for things. I hate it. Oh, no, no, I was just saying like now

[01:06:05] I've got a bunch of books to read now though, so um

[01:06:08] Before you put them in the free library before I put yes exactly right

[01:06:11] I'm gonna read them first. Of course I got a quality kids

[01:06:15] Well, no, I mean the kids aren't going to be reading your uh, bready stanellist books anyway, so

[01:06:21] They might I might read american psycho and sari the tension

[01:06:26] Okay, yes four hours of sari the tension

[01:06:29] I don't think I read rules of attraction until like 99 after I'd seen the movie

[01:06:34] I got about halfway through the book and I was like you know what? I'm good. Yeah movie was better

[01:06:39] That's weird

[01:06:40] When the movie is better than the book it happened with american psycho too. I don't know about that

[01:06:46] opinions will differ but I mean

[01:06:48] Personally, I think I think the book is more the prav'd and creative

[01:06:54] The movie

[01:06:56] It's definitely funnier. It's it's weirder. Yeah

[01:07:00] Well, it can't be as vulgar and it can't be as graphic you can't put like a

[01:07:04] have a trail up a woman's vagina and have the

[01:07:07] Jurebler whatever crawl through her intestines and sure

[01:07:12] All of that crazy insane shit that goes on in the book the movie

[01:07:16] I I I rewatched it within the last couple of years and it still holds up

[01:07:20] I think I probably like it more now than I did when I was a teenager

[01:07:24] It probably helps realizing that uh

[01:07:26] What's his face is probably a lot more like

[01:07:30] Patrick Bateman. Oh christian bales christian bale. Yeah, probably a little bit unhinged

[01:07:36] I don't like that. He's been kind of co-opted by these right wing dipshits to be like the sigma male

[01:07:42] Like you know, you're you're talking about a guy who like kills people and shit right or thinks he's killing people

[01:07:47] That's right. Okay fair enough

[01:07:49] But he wants to and he describes various scenarios all throughout both the narration of the movie and also in the book of

[01:07:55] Some insane shit that he wants to do to people the part of the book

[01:08:00] That really got to me is when he kills the kid at the zoo

[01:08:05] I think it's the the central park zoo and acts like he's a doctor

[01:08:10] After after the fact so it doesn't look weird that he has the kids blood blood on him. Yeah

[01:08:17] Well, um speaking of books I have finished one book started another one most the way through it already

[01:08:23] I'm on track. I took a bit of a book break

[01:08:26] I guess I got really obsessed with like animal well and

[01:08:29] Stopped reading before bad, but now i'm kind of back on my bullshit. I finished a book called glorious exploits

[01:08:35] it's by this irish author freedia lennon and

[01:08:40] Glorious exploits is a hoot, but it certainly is one of those things where I said freedia lenin. It's furtia lenin excuse me

[01:08:49] so these

[01:08:51] These two syracusean guys

[01:08:53] Who were former potters but got laid off from their job at the pottery factory?

[01:08:59] Decide that because they're in the quarry

[01:09:02] In syracuse they've captured all these athenians

[01:09:06] Who recently lost a battle to them? So they've got all these captured people

[01:09:11] And they're holding them there until they die

[01:09:15] so these two potters

[01:09:17] Decide because they love euripides that they're gonna get these people to put on a play

[01:09:23] They're gonna put on medea for them and it's

[01:09:27] Bizarre and funny. So it's an irish writer writing about greeks in syracuse

[01:09:33] A lot of these greeks have modern day

[01:09:37] verbal dialogue that sounds like an irish man would say it

[01:09:41] so it's full of these bizarre little anachronisms and but it's a hoot and

[01:09:46] It's also a love story and it's a it's a story about redemption and like fathers and sons

[01:09:52] But it's also kind of silly and like there's just there's a lot of stuff going on. It's a really nice book

[01:09:57] It manages to do that thing where it's like both historical fiction

[01:10:02] Also a dramedy

[01:10:04] It it hits every note. Like yeah, it's really really powerful. I really like that a lot

[01:10:11] Found it just at random. I was wandering through the library

[01:10:15] And saw the cover which is euripides with googly eyes

[01:10:20] I was like, okay, i'm interested in this. I read the first couple pages like, okay

[01:10:24] All right, this is this is going somewhere and yeah, I mean it came out just january of this year

[01:10:28] It's really really worth the read and then I started another book

[01:10:32] Book called do you remember being born a book that came out last year?

[01:10:37] But it's super prescient. I think because it's about a poet

[01:10:42] Who is tasked with collaborating with an ai to write

[01:10:47] A collaborative poem so this yeah well they would call a long poem

[01:10:52] And so they pay her this exorbitant amount of money and she flies out to california. She's doing this mostly to

[01:10:59] Give her son a down payment on a house so he can be happy with his new fiance

[01:11:03] So they can you know have had this future that she imagined they would never have because

[01:11:08] Being a poet it doesn't pay much right this big check lands in her lap

[01:11:12] And so she flies up to california and and then starts interacting with this ai and

[01:11:18] Starts to have this almost existential crisis happening and

[01:11:22] The book is gorgeous. It's written in this very florid first person prose. It all flows beautifully

[01:11:28] There's these great bits of dialogue back and forth between the poet and the ai

[01:11:32] And it's a very

[01:11:34] I don't know it's very humanistic in a way that a lot of books that talk about ai even in fictional senses don't do

[01:11:41] Right because it's very grounded. It's very much about

[01:11:44] Marian sorry marion the main character

[01:11:47] And charlotte the ai are having this back and forth and that comprises a good chunk of the book

[01:11:52] But it's laid out over the course of seven days

[01:11:55] You go there for a week. You write with this ai and at the end of the seven days

[01:11:59] We're going to release this poem. It's going to be this beautiful thing

[01:12:02] By the third day

[01:12:05] She's having these existential crises and having this moment with the ai where the ai asks her

[01:12:11] Do you remember being born hence the title of the book?

[01:12:14] And she says no, but then the ai is like well, I do kind of the book kind of cracks open from there and

[01:12:20] Fascinating stuff to read. I haven't finished it yet, but I'm most the way through

[01:12:23] I just I love a book that's whimsical, but also grounded and this kind of does that kind of plays

[01:12:30] Plays in that in that field because the person who's telling you this story is a poet, right?

[01:12:35] And so they have this

[01:12:37] Fluorid language I almost imagine and is if I'm reading it and I hear like I don't know Kate Blanchat or somebody

[01:12:43] Right or Helen Mirren even because it's supposed to be a woman in her 70s

[01:12:47] So probably closer to a Judy denture or Helen Mirren reading this very florid prose, you know

[01:12:53] Boy, what a book. I'm enjoying that quite a bit

[01:12:55] This one's pretty tight. So

[01:12:58] Last night. Yes, that's right. You went to shoot a show

[01:13:01] Someone over at the pageant asked me to photograph. Uh, mr. Marcus king. Uh-huh who is a

[01:13:08] Free big name in like the blues guitar world right now

[01:13:11] I'd never I never shot house for the pageant but uh, yeah, look at this guy. He he does

[01:13:18] Have you have you listened to any of his music? No, that's why I had to look it up because I'm like

[01:13:21] I don't know anything about this guy looks like a guy that could show you like a vape trick, right

[01:13:27] Right

[01:13:28] Yeah, yeah, he looks like

[01:13:30] Your friend when you were 17 his cool slightly older cousin that like lives on like the east coast

[01:13:37] Yeah, okay. Like oh shit cars coming back for Christmas

[01:13:41] Oh man

[01:13:42] I haven't seen him in forever. Yeah, we're gonna do some crazy shit

[01:13:45] Like everyone's ears perk up when they hear like, oh man

[01:13:48] Yeah, oh your aunt and the car coming back for Christmas man. It's gonna be fucking wild

[01:13:53] Yeah, exactly. He's going to show us how to like, you know, fucking do all kinds of beer can tricks

[01:14:00] That sounds about right, but uh, he's a third generation blues guitarist. Yeah, not even 30 songwriter

[01:14:07] I didn't see my head unfortunately had to leave because I'm still a little early because I'm still doing shit with taking stuff from my apartment to the new place

[01:14:14] But I stayed around for a minute and really enjoyed what uh, I got to see

[01:14:20] He has an es 335

[01:14:22] But it has a vitrola vibrato, which I don't know what that makes it but also has a varitone tone selector

[01:14:28] Which I also don't know

[01:14:31] What that makes it because a 335 is just a stop tail

[01:14:36] dual co-way

[01:14:37] Hull body Gibson guitar 345 has a bigsby

[01:14:41] Yeah, but it's a custom shop. But the thing is when I'm getting out here, this is grandfather's guitar

[01:14:46] Yeah, well, it's great. There it is right there. Yeah

[01:14:49] I was looking for photos, you know

[01:14:51] 62 es 345 known as big red. Okay. All right. Oh, so it is a 345

[01:14:56] I know 345 is when it has a bigsby but I don't know if if it had because there ain't too many

[01:15:02] 335s I've ever seen with a vitrola

[01:15:04] So you see that little that little deal in between the knob that has the colored outward ring. Yeah, the chicken head knob

[01:15:11] Yeah, yeah

[01:15:11] So what you do is you flip that out and that extends out to near just a couple inches past the bridge

[01:15:16] uh

[01:15:18] And you press it like a squeeze box

[01:15:20] Towards you

[01:15:21] And then that adds the the vibrato to whatever whatever's being played

[01:15:26] Wow

[01:15:27] They're really finicky and they tend to throw your guitar out of tune really quick. So I've yeah

[01:15:32] See many guitars with that tremolo system

[01:15:35] Or vibrato system very few people actually using it

[01:15:39] Well, yeah, because I mean it seems like you said if it's finicky and it's going to get you out of tune then

[01:15:43] Yeah

[01:15:44] That is not a thing you want to do

[01:15:46] But yeah, he has the original and there's a Gibson to like a custom shop

[01:15:50] But he did I didn't see if he had that with him

[01:15:52] But that's kind of like his guitar that he's known for playing he had

[01:15:56] um

[01:15:57] An arch top made by

[01:15:59] Some guy named baker. I looked it up. It's like just the bass model of this guitar is like

[01:16:05] Seven or eight grand

[01:16:06] Hey, yeah, yeah, it looks like a berry castle

[01:16:10] Okay, just like wow, that's a crazy looking guitar and then looked it up

[01:16:14] And I'm like wow, that's also crazy expensive but man the guy comes out

[01:16:18] Looking like he just stepped out of the granola opry

[01:16:21] Yeah with a fucking joint in one hand a blunt with a little sigarillo extender

[01:16:27] So he had to get the back woods

[01:16:29] Yeah, maybe and uh like a plastic party cup full of something that must have tasted good

[01:16:34] I bet

[01:16:35] He came out there and said thank you and you know

[01:16:38] real polite like and uh

[01:16:40] And placed on the best guitar. I think I've ever witnessed in a long long time

[01:16:45] Damn just really impressive and the guy has quiet voice. You'd think that

[01:16:50] That would be his weakness. Yeah, because it's usually one or the other

[01:16:55] Either you play guitar. He's got quite a voice to him. He's known for his guitar playing

[01:16:59] But he's a pretty good songwriter as well

[01:17:01] Just really like impressed with the guy and I was the only person photographing

[01:17:07] Which was interesting. We had a couple video guys and all that but

[01:17:12] Yeah, I sent stuff off to the tour today and

[01:17:15] This is cool to have that uh that opportunity. Yeah another another notch on my belt

[01:17:20] Especially somebody who you know, I mean he's put out a couple albums, but he's still relatively new to the game

[01:17:26] Yeah, so to speak. Yeah, he's I mean he's been on record since I mean he's I don't even think he's 30

[01:17:32] No 28 28. Yeah, but he's been on record playing on records since he was like 10 or 11 or something

[01:17:38] I think he was all on his grandpa's records. Dang a little bit and there's a viral video of him at um

[01:17:46] This really famous

[01:17:48] Guitar shop. I have now

[01:17:50] Instantly forgotten the name of where it's just like him

[01:17:54] Playing guitar and he's like a teenager and Norman's rare guitar. There it is. I think that's in New York City

[01:18:00] Okay, but yeah, all all the coolest rare shit

[01:18:04] Really surprised you he's just got a real

[01:18:07] Yeah

[01:18:08] When you talk about guitar tone being all in the fingers, man

[01:18:11] Just like watching him and being as close as I was photographing him just like fuck man

[01:18:15] This guy can play and he was doing a lot of stuff too that

[01:18:19] It wasn't really traditional

[01:18:21] Sure, like I saw him do some really interesting hybrid picking

[01:18:25] A stuff that felt like I couldn't tell almost it sounded almost like

[01:18:30] Sweet picking which is like something usually associated with like metal. Yeah, I was thinking like iron maiden immediately

[01:18:35] Yeah, but this guy

[01:18:37] He never overplayed as for as hard as he was playing and for his main notes as he was going through

[01:18:43] Um, I never felt like I was like listening to Steve Vai like my ears were getting tired

[01:18:48] Well, that's a relief at least. Yeah, because boy it is definitely

[01:18:52] Easy to hear someone overplay. Yeah, especially blues boy

[01:18:56] Is someone who uh

[01:18:58] Who's worked at guitar center a couple times? Oh, yeah

[01:19:01] I've I've heard a lot of guys. I've had to listen to a lot of motherfuckers that

[01:19:05] Thought they were someone like Marcus king

[01:19:07] They sure as shit fucking weren't no and he showed him he showed them up. Yeah, it was I yeah

[01:19:13] It was it was a sold out show like it was just a cool little production. That's fantastic

[01:19:18] Over at the pageant. So there's that I don't know what else I got on the docket

[01:19:23] Oh, it's supposed to you know Bonnaroo unfortunately is a no go. Yeah

[01:19:27] Someone forgot to respond to an email

[01:19:30] So it goes I suppose goes. I mean fucking I mean everything's so crazy right now for me that I guess it's probably best

[01:19:36] But like I can't say I'm a little

[01:19:39] Because I was like, well, we could go I could go for lala. I could go for riot fest or

[01:19:44] pitch fork pitch fork festival where the fuck it's called

[01:19:48] But like the lineups for the amount effort it would take to get there

[01:19:51] Right, the lineups like Bonnaroo just has in spades this year

[01:19:54] Like uh pitchfork festival is pretty good. Lala's not too bad, but I mean like Bonnaroo

[01:20:01] Bonnaroo had dialed in this year

[01:20:03] Fuck me. I get like a photograph like Megan the stallion and

[01:20:07] Like melanie martine is the same day as well as gives tumar and like

[01:20:12] That's like some of the stuff that i'm not going to be able to see that

[01:20:14] I know I won't ever

[01:20:16] Go into st. Louis in a way that I'll probably be able to document it. Yeah

[01:20:21] Like I could probably go

[01:20:23] Chicago and see that but the st. Louis is such a tough fucking market. Yeah, because I was looking, you know, I

[01:20:30] My daughter went to Chicago to see lebe

[01:20:33] recently and

[01:20:35] I was like, oh, you know what? I should just take the kids to shows

[01:20:38] I'm sure there's somebody that's coming that they'll want to go want to see and

[01:20:42] I think you know green day rancid they might enjoy and they really like what little green day I play for them and

[01:20:48] Crane wives I think is something that my daughter said she wanted to go to and but I'm looking at the calendars and I'm like

[01:20:55] There's not a lot coming that we could all go to you know to me. Yeah

[01:21:00] I don't know maybe hasn't been announced yet again. It's you know, summer's still like a month away

[01:21:04] Or you know, we've got maybe there's something has them and finalized

[01:21:08] Maybe there's a missing puzzle piece. I'm gonna find and it's gonna be the perfect thing

[01:21:11] But I looked at the calendar. I'm like, okay. Well, that's

[01:21:15] That's at the shed. I don't want to go to that and that's you know, this then I was left unimpressed

[01:21:21] Maybe old 97s. I'm sure they're gonna enjoy that or you know, maybe uh, I'll just go take them to ct pain

[01:21:27] That's true. Now we we we maybe smash in pumpkins

[01:21:31] So, I mean, yeah, there's a few things but yeah, I mean like uh, shan the clams are true 10th

[01:21:36] That's right. I'm really tempted about that. I got invited to go photograph

[01:21:40] Goose who are playing two shows at the factory next week, but my girlfriend's got that surgery and all that and uh

[01:21:47] I'm sure the lighting show it's a goose or kind of like a contemporary. I was gonna say yeah

[01:21:52] I try I tried listening to him on the way here. I got like two songs and I'm like man

[01:21:57] There ain't nothing about this. This is technically wrong, but it doesn't really do anything for me

[01:22:02] I feel that way sometimes about about stuff like that. But yeah, I heard that new goose record and I was like

[01:22:06] Oh, there's another band called geese that are better. So that was very confusing to me at first

[01:22:13] Man, it's like how there was deer hunter and the deer hunter and then deer hoof

[01:22:18] Yeah, I hate to say get all three of those bands confused same

[01:22:21] I can never remember which one switch

[01:22:23] I don't know the band of horses and horse the band two different bands

[01:22:27] Well, I think it's about time we tell the people where to find us online, right?

[01:22:30] Where can they find all of your various things that you're doing and also send you death threats and or recipes

[01:22:37] Oh, if you can send me a recipe for a death threat

[01:22:41] Preferably AI to write it. Yes AI derived forms of uh self unaliving

[01:22:52] We're not on tiktok. You don't have to say

[01:22:54] In minecraft. Yeah, you can find me uh on most social media platforms as ishakidi board ishot

[01:23:01] G y d b r d

[01:23:03] Uh, you can find me on instagram at a music photographer if you want to check out some foes and words

[01:23:10] Go to uh a a music photographer. We want to check out my photography portfolio. That's asshole musicphotographer.com

[01:23:17] We want to check out the

[01:23:19] Only the only

[01:23:22] Good media website left in st. Louis. That's uh the arts stl.com

[01:23:26] Some really great foes taken by

[01:23:29] Jen ruff, I believe of knocked loose

[01:23:32] Last week at pageant. Yeah, I heard that show was fucking feral

[01:23:36] That is one that I'm really ashamed that I missed. I'm kind of bummed. I missed it too

[01:23:39] But I saw enough like stuff on on instagram and and uh social media that i'm like, yeah, you know what?

[01:23:45] Like I texted burb out he goes fucking insane. Oh, yeah, I talked to someone that worked the show and they're like, dude

[01:23:51] No, I bet you're trying like trying to keep people from like jumping on the stage

[01:23:55] Oh after a while is just like well, they've got they've got 20 seconds

[01:24:00] To figure out how they were going to make it work. You've got three seconds to react

[01:24:03] So like apparently they're being told like, you know, if they get past you don't worry

[01:24:07] The band has their own security on stage that will take care. Okay

[01:24:11] So the arts stl.com. R. S. L. Dot com some really great foes and knocked loose. Um

[01:24:17] Try anything else is down there recently. It's a little quiet at this moment

[01:24:20] It's a little quiet in st. Louis, but it's gonna pick up real soon. Yeah, we're gonna get in the summer

[01:24:24] It's gonna fucking rev up man. We're gonna run a dirt bike on that pussy

[01:24:28] Anyways the rsstl.com where we run all the dirt bikes on all the policies all the time. That's right god

[01:24:34] All of Jason, where can they find you? Oh boy? You can find me online most places that there is a video crime

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[01:26:01] We I don't think they've heard the show. I think we need to start texting the show to them

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[01:26:08] Paul

[01:26:13] Um, I got a couple x bosses. Oh, yeah, I was actually thinking about you know

[01:26:18] Once my girlfriend gets her organs removed from the surgery is like can we get foe the organ

[01:26:22] So I can send to the guy that fucking fired me. Hell. Yeah

[01:26:26] Well, that about does for the program as we always say it this time

[01:26:29] Namaste good luck. Give mommy a good god fucking and eat a knife