48 Minutes of Dogs Barking : The Podcast About The Internet

[00:58:59] Cause it was like every skateboard video had every genre imaginable on it would be like rap music into like Led Zeppelin into like punk rock into like jazz.

[00:59:07] So it was like,

[00:59:08] you know,

[00:59:08] this is before the internet.

[00:59:09] So to be able to hear like different genres was kind of a big thing for a kid at my age,

[00:59:14] you know,

[00:59:15] it exposed me to a lot and,

[00:59:16] uh,

[00:59:17] just kind of connected me to everything that like I ended up being into later in life.

[00:59:21] I mean,

[00:59:22] I can certainly say the same again,

[00:59:23] St.

[00:59:24] Louis,

[00:59:24] uh,

[00:59:24] not that different.

[00:59:25] I will say that.

[00:59:27] Oh yeah.

[00:59:28] Jeez.

[00:59:28] It was a final refused record.

[00:59:30] It felt like you got lucky and you had to get that at full price at hot topic too.

[00:59:35] So that was a whole mess.

[00:59:36] Yeah.

[00:59:36] Do you guys know this,

[00:59:37] uh,

[00:59:38] St.

[00:59:38] Louis bands,

[00:59:39] uh,

[00:59:39] the hibernauts,

[00:59:41] the Bobby dazzlers.

[00:59:43] Yeah.

[00:59:44] That's like my friend Jackie's bands.

[00:59:46] He was in those bands and,

[00:59:47] uh,

[00:59:48] he passed away.

[00:59:49] Like he,

[00:59:49] he died in a motorcycle accident,

[00:59:51] but he moved to LA like a couple of years ago and started this surf band.

[00:59:54] Called the cauterizers.

[00:59:56] And I put out like three EPs,

[00:59:58] I think,

[00:59:58] but I'm,

[00:59:59] we were just getting like this next week,

[01:00:01] we're getting their debut on a vinyl.

[01:00:03] I'm putting it out on buddy head.

[01:00:05] Yeah.

[01:00:05] I remember hearing about that.

[01:00:06] He's a,

[01:00:06] he's a St.

[01:00:07] Louis,

[01:00:08] uh,

[01:00:09] alumni.

[01:00:09] Yeah.

[01:00:09] He was always a sweetheart.

[01:00:11] I only met him a few times.

[01:00:12] I photographed the hibernauts,

[01:00:14] uh,

[01:00:14] a handful of times and they were super good.

[01:00:16] Always great guys to hang out with.

[01:00:19] Um,

[01:00:19] and when I heard that he passed,

[01:00:21] it took a second for like all the kind of resonate.

[01:00:23] I'm like,

[01:00:23] fuck,

[01:00:24] that's I didn't,

[01:00:25] I guess I had like lost touch with him for a minute.

[01:00:27] Yeah.

[01:00:28] Cause we weren't like super close.

[01:00:29] It's just like,

[01:00:29] Oh,

[01:00:29] I'd see him and be like,

[01:00:30] Hey,

[01:00:30] what's up?

[01:00:31] I photograph your band.

[01:00:32] Like,

[01:00:32] okay,

[01:00:32] cool.

[01:00:32] And talk a little,

[01:00:33] but always had good vibes.

[01:00:35] People were definitely distraught when they heard of his passing around here.

[01:00:39] Like,

[01:00:40] like I said,

[01:00:40] it took me a second for it to really hit.

[01:00:42] And I'm like,

[01:00:43] fuck man,

[01:00:43] that guy was tight.

[01:00:44] And he went out to LA.

[01:00:45] Yeah.

[01:00:45] He was doing cool shit.

[01:00:46] Like,

[01:00:47] man.

[01:00:47] All right.

[01:00:48] That's a bummer.

[01:00:49] What was an awful way for someone who had such good energy to leave this world?

[01:00:55] Yeah.

[01:00:55] He was,

[01:00:56] he was one of the coolest.

[01:00:57] It's,

[01:00:57] it's a,

[01:00:57] it's a drag.

[01:00:58] Like,

[01:00:58] it feels cool though.

[01:01:00] Cause I promised him they finished recording their record like through three weeks before

[01:01:03] he passed.

[01:01:04] And we'd already started talking about it,

[01:01:06] picked the record cover.

[01:01:07] And you know,

[01:01:09] I told him we were going to put it out and it's,

[01:01:11] it's cool.

[01:01:11] Like a year and some change later to have it finally coming out.

[01:01:15] Hell yeah.

[01:01:16] Feels like we did something,

[01:01:17] you know?

[01:01:17] And it's a fucking great record too.

[01:01:19] You should check it out.

[01:01:19] It's called a bender ender by the cauterizers.

[01:01:22] It's on streaming and we'll have it for sale on the site by the end of the year.

[01:01:27] And also at our night market on December 21st.

[01:01:30] Boom.

[01:01:31] So the night market December 21st,

[01:01:33] where is that?

[01:01:33] That's at our space,

[01:01:34] Los Angeles.

[01:01:35] We do some different events every month.

[01:01:38] I do a night market,

[01:01:39] different DJs come.

[01:01:41] We have some like vinyl vendors,

[01:01:43] vintage clothing,

[01:01:44] a couple of tattoo artists,

[01:01:46] beer.

[01:01:47] And then we just like DJ records.

[01:01:49] It's kind of like a record store with beer.

[01:01:50] Sick.

[01:01:51] Yeah.

[01:01:51] It's pretty,

[01:01:51] it's pretty fun.

[01:01:52] And then we have like projections and stuff.

[01:01:54] And Joe does a once a month,

[01:01:56] midnight mass,

[01:01:58] which is a,

[01:01:59] I don't know.

[01:01:59] How would you,

[01:01:59] how do you describe it?

[01:02:00] It's like,

[01:02:02] it's a meeting of like me and four musicians,

[01:02:05] three or four musicians that have never played together.

[01:02:08] And we kind of do like a,

[01:02:10] an all improvised soundtrack over the evening,

[01:02:13] you know,

[01:02:14] with very little communication ahead of time and just kind of,

[01:02:17] everyone sets up shop in their respected corners.

[01:02:22] And we get,

[01:02:23] give people,

[01:02:23] you know,

[01:02:24] like an hour and a half of music without any percussion or map,

[01:02:30] you know?

[01:02:30] So we just go nuts.

[01:02:31] Damn.

[01:02:32] Yeah.

[01:02:32] It's,

[01:02:33] it's been fun.

[01:02:33] It's been good.

[01:02:34] It's not for everyone,

[01:02:35] but for the people that it is for,

[01:02:38] you know,

[01:02:38] I think it's been a good experience,

[01:02:40] you know,

[01:02:40] it's like not unlike a meditation,

[01:02:42] but like a meditation that like pulverizes your cerebral cortex.

[01:02:47] You know,

[01:02:48] it's kind of like really heavy jazz.

[01:02:50] It's like,

[01:02:51] it's a,

[01:02:51] it's a deep meditation and he's got different musicians coming every month.

[01:02:56] Like snakes of Russia was on there.

[01:02:59] David Scott stone.

[01:03:00] He played with the locust Melvin's and LCD sound system.

[01:03:04] Who else did we have?

[01:03:05] It's coming up.

[01:03:06] Album leaf is coming up.

[01:03:08] Yeah.

[01:03:08] But yeah,

[01:03:09] just different people every month.

[01:03:10] So like had a couple of sacks players last time and it's,

[01:03:13] it's pretty fucking cool though.

[01:03:14] It's out there,

[01:03:15] but it's cool.

[01:03:16] Sounds like my exact jam.

[01:03:18] I'm going to be in Mexico,

[01:03:19] but yeah,

[01:03:20] damn.

[01:03:20] No,

[01:03:20] we should go out to LA and check that out.

[01:03:22] Every month.

[01:03:22] We do it every month.

[01:03:24] And now the moment you've all been waiting for shock.jpg.

[01:03:31] All right.

[01:03:32] So,

[01:03:32] um,

[01:03:33] you fellas want to see something gross?

[01:03:35] Maybe.

[01:03:36] Oh,

[01:03:36] okay.

[01:03:36] Here we go.

[01:03:37] Uh,

[01:03:37] go to an incognito window though.

[01:03:39] Cause you know,

[01:03:40] you never know.

[01:03:41] Whoa.

[01:03:45] That's right.

[01:03:45] Uh,

[01:03:45] I,

[01:03:46] I've,

[01:03:46] uh,

[01:03:46] started calling it.

[01:03:47] Is that a ear?

[01:03:48] I started calling this Goatsy 2.

[01:03:51] Uh,

[01:03:51] it is actually,

[01:03:52] what is that?

[01:03:53] That,

[01:03:53] that is the same performer from Goatsy,

[01:03:56] Kirk Johnson,

[01:03:56] but it is another gaping asshole picture.

[01:03:59] It's got no wall.

[01:04:02] It originally lived at stretch dot raging fist.

[01:04:07] Oh,

[01:04:08] he is the giver.

[01:04:09] Uh,

[01:04:10] God,

[01:04:11] that just looks like the worst pie you've ever seen.

[01:04:14] I hate deep dish pizza.

[01:04:18] Gross.

[01:04:19] You guys are gross.

[01:04:20] This interview is over.

[01:04:22] Right.

[01:04:22] Yeah.

[01:04:22] This interview is over,

[01:04:23] dude.

[01:04:24] You guys are gross.

[01:04:25] Uh,

[01:04:26] sorry.

[01:04:27] That's a,

[01:04:27] that's a part of the show we call shock dot JPEG.

[01:04:29] It's,

[01:04:30] it's just a,

[01:04:30] it's a bit of fun that we like to have.

[01:04:32] Rotten dot com,

[01:04:33] dude.

[01:04:34] Well,

[01:04:34] yeah,

[01:04:34] we did a whole episode of rotten.

[01:04:36] Yeah.

[01:04:36] We,

[01:04:36] we,

[01:04:36] we really,

[01:04:37] uh,

[01:04:38] we appreciate the finer things in life,

[01:04:39] I guess is what we're saying.

[01:04:41] Yeah,

[01:04:42] man.

[01:04:42] It's like,

[01:04:42] it's like going to the dentist.

[01:04:44] Yeah.

[01:04:45] Yeah.

[01:04:47] Yeah.

[01:04:47] So that one is actually the same performer from Goatsy.

[01:04:50] You know,

[01:04:50] the guy stretched,

[01:04:51] stretching his anus with the ring on and all that.

[01:04:53] That's the same performer.

[01:04:54] That's Kirk Johnson.

[01:04:56] And that was another from the same,

[01:04:57] uh,

[01:04:58] series.

[01:04:58] And my favorite part of course is the URL.

[01:05:01] It was stretch dot raging fist dot net.

[01:05:04] Fucking gross,

[01:05:06] dude.

[01:05:06] So what is your guys' experience with like shock sites?

[01:05:09] Did you guys ever get like tricked into opening tub girl or any of that shit?

[01:05:11] Every once in a while,

[01:05:13] uh,

[01:05:13] you'll get the fucking buff dude sitting on the edge of the bed with the big dick.

[01:05:18] There's that one.

[01:05:19] That people lemon party,

[01:05:21] lemon party.

[01:05:22] Oh,

[01:05:22] classic.

[01:05:22] Lemon party was a classic meat spin.

[01:05:25] Yeah,

[01:05:25] of course.

[01:05:25] I don't know.

[01:05:26] I never really got too deep into that stuff.

[01:05:28] I remember watching faces of death as a kid,

[01:05:30] but I didn't like it.

[01:05:31] Yeah.

[01:05:31] Faces of death was upsetting.

[01:05:34] Yeah.

[01:05:34] Everyone like five years older than me.

[01:05:36] That was like their shit,

[01:05:37] dude.

[01:05:37] And tricking people into seeing it.

[01:05:39] That was,

[01:05:40] I think the thing that a lot of people,

[01:05:41] people that were older than me at the time were like,

[01:05:44] Hey,

[01:05:45] check this out.

[01:05:45] And they'd put that on the,

[01:05:46] God damn it.

[01:05:47] Why are you doing this?

[01:05:48] Yeah.

[01:05:49] I hated it.

[01:05:49] Like the guy bungee jumping that doesn't take into account the 14th floor.

[01:05:52] And he just like hits the ground.

[01:05:55] Didn't count the floors.

[01:05:56] Right.

[01:05:56] With that Senator in Pennsylvania that blows his head off.

[01:05:59] Oh yeah.

[01:06:00] Press conference.

[01:06:00] Bud Dwyer.

[01:06:01] Yeah.

[01:06:01] Step back.

[01:06:02] This could hurt someone.

[01:06:03] There was a family video down the street from where I grew up.

[01:06:08] That was one of the last rental places that still had VHS.

[01:06:12] And they went probably like,

[01:06:14] I want to say 2007,

[01:06:15] 2008.

[01:06:16] Wow.

[01:06:16] Still had VHS.

[01:06:17] So me and my friend being weirdos would rent stuff from there.

[01:06:20] And we'd find like all the weird schlocky movies,

[01:06:22] like American,

[01:06:23] American Ninja two,

[01:06:24] the stuff,

[01:06:25] all of the classics,

[01:06:27] the classic bad movies from the eighties and nineties.

[01:06:29] But they had a couple of shock tapes and faces of death with one of them.

[01:06:34] And there was one called taboo Asia.

[01:06:37] Hmm.

[01:06:38] It had a segment on like,

[01:06:40] uh,

[01:06:41] this,

[01:06:41] this interesting sect of Christianity in like Malaysia or something where people

[01:06:47] like crucify themselves and like drag the,

[01:06:51] yeah.

[01:06:51] Like the Philippines.

[01:06:53] Yeah.

[01:06:53] It was pretty intense.

[01:06:54] Um,

[01:06:55] there was also like graph a graphic footage of someone having a,

[01:06:58] uh,

[01:06:59] sex change operations.

[01:07:00] Ooh.

[01:07:01] Yeah.

[01:07:02] Uh,

[01:07:02] it was,

[01:07:03] it was a great thing to be like watching like at 17.

[01:07:07] I kind of regret that,

[01:07:11] but we were,

[01:07:12] but we were like two dudes in the Midwest that were bored that listened to

[01:07:16] weird music and skateboard at all time and got harassed by weird dudes and

[01:07:20] pick up trucks for skateboarding.

[01:07:22] So being like transgressive and edgy just kind of felt like it came with the

[01:07:26] territory.

[01:07:28] It does.

[01:07:29] Well,

[01:07:29] yeah.

[01:07:29] Cause like Thrasher had the whole hall of meat section.

[01:07:32] Oh yeah.

[01:07:35] And all that bloody road rash stuff.

[01:07:37] I feel like skateboarding was a gateway to some of these shock sites and

[01:07:40] stuff like,

[01:07:41] Oh yeah,

[01:07:41] here's a guy getting hit by a train.

[01:07:43] Cool.

[01:07:44] Thanks.

[01:07:45] Extreme culture in general,

[01:07:46] when you're like a young and dejected,

[01:07:50] it's time for your mom's favorite part of the show.

[01:07:53] It's time for the breath mint.

[01:07:57] This is the part of the show that we call the breath mint.

[01:08:00] After we see something gross,

[01:08:01] we like to talk about something nice,

[01:08:03] something that we'd like,

[01:08:04] something that we've enjoyed.

[01:08:06] So since the both of you are our guests,

[01:08:09] why don't you guys start us off?

[01:08:11] Let's start with Joe.

[01:08:12] Joe was something caught your ear or your eyes this week.

[01:08:15] Yeah.

[01:08:16] Let's see this week.

[01:08:17] What's been holding me up.

[01:08:19] I mean,

[01:08:20] the same as everybody else on the planet,

[01:08:22] the new Kendrick records,

[01:08:23] fucking great.

[01:08:24] Especially if you're from Los Angeles,

[01:08:26] you know,

[01:08:27] it's like,

[01:08:27] as far as mainstream music goes,

[01:08:30] it doesn't get much better than that.

[01:08:32] You know,

[01:08:32] how many times a week do you find yourself yelling mustard at somebody?

[01:08:37] Yeah,

[01:08:37] I will say,

[01:08:38] check this out.

[01:08:39] So like,

[01:08:39] I don't have Spotify.

[01:08:41] I use Apple music,

[01:08:43] not for any real reasons,

[01:08:44] except for Spotify looks ugly to me.

[01:08:47] But it's the green color.

[01:08:48] Yeah.

[01:08:49] It's just ugly.

[01:08:49] It's like,

[01:08:50] this is gross.

[01:08:51] My like Apple,

[01:08:53] your wrap up or whatever the fuck they do the same stupid thing.

[01:08:57] Right.

[01:08:57] My most listened record this year is already.

[01:09:02] No way.

[01:09:03] Yeah.

[01:09:03] Over the whole year.

[01:09:05] Wow.

[01:09:05] Yeah.

[01:09:06] Yeah.

[01:09:06] Cause you just had it on random.

[01:09:08] Yeah.

[01:09:09] And then there's that one spiritualized song.

[01:09:12] It's my most listened.

[01:09:14] Cause it was just the first song that comes on in my car.

[01:09:17] Cause alphabetically,

[01:09:17] it's like the first song.

[01:09:19] I fucking hate that song.

[01:09:20] Oh no.

[01:09:21] What song is it?

[01:09:22] The a song.

[01:09:24] It's called the,

[01:09:25] it's on one of their new records.

[01:09:27] And it's just the,

[01:09:28] you know,

[01:09:28] it's the first thing that pops on in the car for some fucked up reason.

[01:09:32] It's like some groundhog's day.

[01:09:35] Like.

[01:09:36] Yeah.

[01:09:38] Like,

[01:09:38] yeah.

[01:09:38] The a song it's called.

[01:09:40] It actually is called that.

[01:09:41] I deleted it off my phone,

[01:09:43] dude.

[01:09:43] I was like,

[01:09:44] this can't happen.

[01:09:44] It would just play every time we turn the car on.

[01:09:46] It was just like,

[01:09:46] Oh God.

[01:09:47] It's not even like a good spiritualized song either.

[01:09:50] It's truly seven minutes long.

[01:09:53] Yeah.

[01:09:53] Now it's a man by suicide.

[01:09:56] I'll take it.

[01:09:57] I'll take it.

[01:09:57] Yeah,

[01:09:58] absolutely.

[01:09:58] Travis,

[01:09:59] how about yourself?

[01:09:59] I also have been listening to the Kendrick record.

[01:10:02] I like the new Jamie X,

[01:10:04] X record a lot.

[01:10:05] Oh yeah.

[01:10:06] I think,

[01:10:06] I think it's great.

[01:10:07] I have tickets to go see him in January.

[01:10:09] I'm excited for that.

[01:10:10] And then I've been backtracking a little bit and I like the last playboy

[01:10:14] Cardi record a lot.

[01:10:15] Okay.

[01:10:15] And then speaking of spiritualized,

[01:10:17] I like the new thing that J Spaceman did.

[01:10:18] It's like a called music for William Eggleston stranded.

[01:10:23] Yeah.

[01:10:24] Okay.

[01:10:24] It's just kind of like,

[01:10:25] it's him and two other dudes just kind of like jamming and they're not

[01:10:29] really songs.

[01:10:29] It's kind of just like jams.

[01:10:31] They're like,

[01:10:32] it's pretty cool.

[01:10:33] Like Eggleston,

[01:10:34] you know,

[01:10:34] you're a photographer,

[01:10:35] you know that.

[01:10:36] Yeah.

[01:10:36] It's like some feels like one of the OG,

[01:10:38] like street photographers.

[01:10:40] So it's like some field recordings he did of some of the people he was

[01:10:43] hanging with.

[01:10:43] And,

[01:10:44] uh,

[01:10:44] they're like playing,

[01:10:45] they're like soundtracking it kind of in a loose way.

[01:10:47] It's cool though.

[01:10:48] It's a good,

[01:10:49] like put on and like work on shit type music.

[01:10:52] I'm going to check that out.

[01:10:53] That sounds like my jam.

[01:10:54] Yeah,

[01:10:55] you'll dig it.

[01:10:55] Yeah.

[01:10:56] That one's pretty cool.

[01:10:57] Awesome.

[01:10:58] And then I also like this artist,

[01:10:59] these artists from Detroit called high tech.

[01:11:01] It's another house music.

[01:11:03] Jamie XX,

[01:11:04] I think it's house music.

[01:11:05] And this is a,

[01:11:06] they call it ghetto house music.

[01:11:08] It's kind of like rap music,

[01:11:09] but really fast.

[01:11:10] And they're called high tech.

[01:11:11] Okay.

[01:11:12] Okay.

[01:11:12] Fuck.

[01:11:12] Yeah.

[01:11:13] All right.

[01:11:13] I'm going to give that a shot.

[01:11:14] Jason,

[01:11:15] what you got?

[01:11:15] Oh,

[01:11:16] well,

[01:11:16] you and I went to see census fail and saves the day.

[01:11:24] Oh boy.

[01:11:25] That was an experience.

[01:11:26] It was indeed here at the pageant in St.

[01:11:29] Louis,

[01:11:29] a nice,

[01:11:30] a decent room.

[01:11:31] What's the cap on that one?

[01:11:32] Like,

[01:11:32] it's like 2300 depending on,

[01:11:34] uh,

[01:11:34] depending on how young the crowd is a younger crowd.

[01:11:36] You can put more people in.

[01:11:38] If you,

[01:11:39] uh,

[01:11:39] if you got an older crowd,

[01:11:40] you get,

[01:11:41] it's a few less.

[01:11:42] Yeah.

[01:11:42] So it was a saves the day doing their 25th anniversary of the 1999 album through being cool,

[01:11:49] which was a formative record from my youth.

[01:11:51] So I was like,

[01:11:52] okay,

[01:11:52] I got to go see this.

[01:11:53] And what really shocked me was that the lead singer is the only guy left from the band.

[01:11:59] Like everyone else was like a ringer.

[01:12:02] Like from Chile.

[01:12:05] They sound great.

[01:12:07] If I were a fan of that band,

[01:12:09] I would have felt like I got my money's worth out of that performance.

[01:12:12] Oh,

[01:12:12] for sure.

[01:12:13] The,

[01:12:13] the thing that I found myself chuckling about was as I'm getting ready to photograph them,

[01:12:17] I'm like,

[01:12:18] wait,

[01:12:19] didn't buddy head write something about how the dude from saves a day has a huge mouth.

[01:12:22] And I'm like the whole entire time I'm like,

[01:12:24] is his mouth that big?

[01:12:25] His mouth is a little bit.

[01:12:27] Is that ring a bell?

[01:12:29] I don't remember that,

[01:12:30] but that doesn't mean anything.

[01:12:32] A dude has a huge mouth.

[01:12:33] A lot of times I'll look back at stuff and not even remember writing it.

[01:12:36] Honestly,

[01:12:37] we wrote a lot of stuff in a short amount of period of time.

[01:12:40] Yeah.

[01:12:40] But that again,

[01:12:41] a thing that stuck with me was the buddy head riff,

[01:12:44] or at least what I remember the buddy head riff being,

[01:12:46] I'm like,

[01:12:46] his mouth is,

[01:12:46] it's not too bad.

[01:12:48] I don't think he could put his own fist in his mouth.

[01:12:50] I don't know.

[01:12:51] We shall see.

[01:12:52] They sound good.

[01:12:54] It was census fail when we decided to leave,

[01:12:57] I think.

[01:12:57] Yeah,

[01:12:58] that was,

[01:12:58] that was rough.

[01:12:59] I've been photographing live music for 14,

[01:13:01] 15 years now.

[01:13:02] I've seen some people have some rough nights on stage.

[01:13:05] Uh,

[01:13:05] that was one of the more uncomfortable.

[01:13:07] Yeah.

[01:13:08] I've seen them in particularly.

[01:13:10] Yeah.

[01:13:11] What the fuck even is that?

[01:13:12] Yeah.

[01:13:13] I don't even know.

[01:13:13] They're like hard,

[01:13:14] hardcore,

[01:13:14] hardcore man.

[01:13:16] No,

[01:13:16] I think you're,

[01:13:16] I think you're thinking of shadows fall.

[01:13:19] I'm not,

[01:13:19] I'm not thinking of anything really.

[01:13:20] I'm just shooting in the dark.

[01:13:22] Yeah.

[01:13:22] I'm just going by the way the name sounds.

[01:13:24] Uh,

[01:13:24] so New Jersey emo punk thing.

[01:13:26] Uh,

[01:13:27] like,

[01:13:27] uh,

[01:13:27] if alkaline trio was a little bit harder,

[01:13:29] maybe like Bayside.

[01:13:31] Okay.

[01:13:31] I got it.

[01:13:32] Uh,

[01:13:32] but yeah,

[01:13:32] there sounds tough.

[01:13:34] Their album.

[01:13:34] Let it unfold.

[01:13:35] You was a classic at that time,

[01:13:37] like 2001 or so.

[01:13:38] Okay.

[01:13:39] Again,

[01:13:40] among the mall goth people that I was friends with.

[01:13:42] So,

[01:13:43] you know,

[01:13:43] you gotta take that with a grain of salt in certain circles.

[01:13:46] Yeah,

[01:13:46] exactly.

[01:13:47] Well,

[01:13:47] buddy,

[01:13:48] the lead singer,

[01:13:49] uh,

[01:13:49] was having a rough night though.

[01:13:51] Yeah.

[01:13:51] He was going on weird tangents about,

[01:13:54] cause it was Wednesday.

[01:13:55] It was blackout Wednesday,

[01:13:57] the day before Thanksgiving.

[01:13:58] We're all going to have to go talk with our family.

[01:14:00] No one wants to talk about politics.

[01:14:02] No one cares about that shit.

[01:14:03] It was like MAGA.

[01:14:04] No,

[01:14:05] I expected it.

[01:14:06] I thought it was going to happen.

[01:14:08] I was like really weird.

[01:14:09] Like,

[01:14:09] it's like,

[01:14:10] listen,

[01:14:10] like,

[01:14:10] I think you're expressing something that some of us,

[01:14:13] most of us can relate to on some level,

[01:14:14] but we're all a little scared of where this is going.

[01:14:19] I thought for sure it was going to happen.

[01:14:21] But in any minute,

[01:14:22] but he like brought Dan,

[01:14:23] the vocalist from a story of the year,

[01:14:26] which is another band that has a hit song with a riff that sounded too much like that refused riff.

[01:14:31] Hey,

[01:14:31] yo,

[01:14:32] that was like the era.

[01:14:33] Uh,

[01:14:33] I didn't realize until I was like looking back to like in the early two thousands,

[01:14:37] you're,

[01:14:37] if there was a band that had a hit song,

[01:14:39] they usually had a riff that was like,

[01:14:40] this is just a refuse riff,

[01:14:42] but with less,

[01:14:43] uh,

[01:14:44] distortion,

[01:14:45] more palm muting,

[01:14:46] a different key.

[01:14:47] And you're like,

[01:14:47] oh man,

[01:14:48] that really did just get face fucked to death.

[01:14:50] But anyways,

[01:14:51] it was either that refused riff or it was an at the drive-in riff.

[01:14:54] Two bands that spawned a wave of diarrhea.

[01:14:58] It's crazy.

[01:14:59] Yeah.

[01:14:59] There's just so many shit bands that say like,

[01:15:02] oh,

[01:15:02] we love refuse.

[01:15:03] And it's like,

[01:15:03] could you not though?

[01:15:04] It's weird.

[01:15:05] It's,

[01:15:06] isn't it crazy how that happens?

[01:15:07] It's like,

[01:15:08] uh,

[01:15:08] you know,

[01:15:09] uh,

[01:15:09] rage against the machine is probably another one.

[01:15:11] Like,

[01:15:11] you know,

[01:15:12] they have a couple of classic records,

[01:15:13] rage against the machine,

[01:15:14] but like every band that was highly influenced by them is probably the worst band in the world.

[01:15:19] Yeah.

[01:15:20] Or like hum,

[01:15:21] deftones,

[01:15:22] like you could,

[01:15:23] you could count them on your hands.

[01:15:24] Yeah,

[01:15:24] for sure.

[01:15:24] We're talking about being influenced by rage against the machine.

[01:15:27] I'm just saying like,

[01:15:28] I'm saying like,

[01:15:28] uh,

[01:15:29] the band hum from Chicago influenced the deftones and like million other bands were influenced

[01:15:34] then by the deftones.

[01:15:35] And it's like,

[01:15:36] there's not a lot of good bands that say they like the deftones,

[01:15:39] right?

[01:15:40] It just gets worse.

[01:15:41] Yeah.

[01:15:41] It just gets worse.

[01:15:41] It's like that meme where there's just shitting each other's mouth.

[01:15:44] And at the end,

[01:15:45] it's just like extra shitty.

[01:15:48] It's like the band chat pile from Oklahoma city.

[01:15:50] They kind of like buck that trend because like the bass player,

[01:15:53] I believe is like a huge corn fan.

[01:15:56] And he's like,

[01:15:57] uh,

[01:15:58] uh,

[01:15:58] yeah,

[01:15:58] that's just kind of like a,

[01:15:59] a part of our sound is,

[01:16:00] is really influenced by corn and none of the,

[01:16:02] no one else in the band wants to acknowledge it.

[01:16:04] But yes,

[01:16:05] they like listen to their latest record.

[01:16:07] We've all been there.

[01:16:08] We all know that.

[01:16:09] We've all been there,

[01:16:09] but actually it's like,

[01:16:10] actually,

[01:16:11] this is like the cool shit for like the first corn record.

[01:16:14] Like,

[01:16:15] Oh,

[01:16:15] and this was kind of interesting and new.

[01:16:17] And I'm like,

[01:16:18] okay,

[01:16:18] I kind of see it.

[01:16:18] But also that new chat pile record is,

[01:16:20] is like a scary,

[01:16:23] insane,

[01:16:23] heavy music.

[01:16:24] Sick.

[01:16:24] It's fucking love it.

[01:16:25] But,

[01:16:25] um,

[01:16:26] the two from census fails is having a hard time.

[01:16:29] And he started,

[01:16:30] he brought Dan out from story to year.

[01:16:32] And Dan like kind of had this look on his face that he didn't know what was going to happen.

[01:16:35] Don't do this to me,

[01:16:36] dude.

[01:16:36] Don't do this to me in front of all these nice people.

[01:16:38] I have family in the crowd.

[01:16:40] And then about 20 minutes later,

[01:16:42] we're like,

[01:16:42] okay,

[01:16:43] we can't do this anymore.

[01:16:44] Yeah.

[01:16:44] We,

[01:16:44] we sat through about four more songs and we're like,

[01:16:46] I,

[01:16:47] this is the second half of the record.

[01:16:49] The part that I don't care about.

[01:16:51] And also like,

[01:16:52] this has just become really uncomfortable.

[01:16:54] Uncomfortable.

[01:16:55] He started,

[01:16:55] he did start writing about the creepy crawl,

[01:16:57] which was kind of funny,

[01:16:58] but he was talking about playing the creepy crawl with my chemical romance.

[01:17:01] And people do talk about my chemical romance playing the creepy crawl,

[01:17:05] but they do not talk about census fail being on that bill,

[01:17:07] which was kind of the funny part.

[01:17:09] Like,

[01:17:09] Oh yeah,

[01:17:09] you were,

[01:17:10] you did play that show.

[01:17:11] It was like,

[01:17:12] uh,

[01:17:12] I felt like that guy needed just to like,

[01:17:14] uh,

[01:17:14] need a friend.

[01:17:15] You're like,

[01:17:16] this guy needs a friend.

[01:17:17] We're going to leave.

[01:17:18] This guy needs a friend.

[01:17:19] Then it's not me or him.

[01:17:20] We all know him.

[01:17:21] Yeah.

[01:17:22] To push him off a bridge.

[01:17:24] This guy's going through it.

[01:17:25] Let's get out of here.

[01:17:26] Well,

[01:17:27] I look,

[01:17:27] I,

[01:17:28] I did not want it to be like 11 PM and he's,

[01:17:32] where'd you guys go?

[01:17:33] Oh,

[01:17:33] I went home.

[01:17:34] Yeah.

[01:17:35] Cause I'm lame and old.

[01:17:37] Yeah.

[01:17:37] I'm old and boring.

[01:17:38] Well,

[01:17:38] like I texted someone,

[01:17:39] I was at that show.

[01:17:40] I'm like,

[01:17:40] did it get any weirder?

[01:17:41] And they just responded with,

[01:17:42] I hope he gets the help he needs.

[01:17:44] Oh man.

[01:17:45] Well,

[01:17:46] I'm here.

[01:17:46] If he needs help,

[01:17:47] he can reach out.

[01:17:49] We should send them the fucking India go-go page,

[01:17:52] dude.

[01:17:54] Hey,

[01:17:54] do you guys need a clear conscience?

[01:17:55] Maybe he wants to be a movie producer.

[01:17:57] Yeah.

[01:17:58] Yeah.

[01:17:58] It's like time for a career.

[01:17:59] Yeah.

[01:18:00] Come on,

[01:18:01] buddy.

[01:18:02] Uh,

[01:18:03] well,

[01:18:03] Brian,

[01:18:03] how about you?

[01:18:04] Anything else aside from that,

[01:18:06] that,

[01:18:06] uh,

[01:18:06] rang your bell this week?

[01:18:07] Oh,

[01:18:07] just not,

[01:18:08] not too much.

[01:18:09] What else did you shoot?

[01:18:10] You photographed Suki Waterhouse at the factory,

[01:18:13] uh,

[01:18:14] Tuesday night.

[01:18:15] That show didn't sell well.

[01:18:16] Oh no.

[01:18:17] A lot of people in St.

[01:18:18] Louis wanted to see Mrs.

[01:18:19] Robert Patterson.

[01:18:20] Um,

[01:18:21] I think that new,

[01:18:21] I think that I had to explain to a coworker what Suki Waterhouse's music was like.

[01:18:26] That's so sick.

[01:18:27] And,

[01:18:27] uh,

[01:18:27] I was like,

[01:18:28] you know who Angel Olsen is?

[01:18:30] And they're like,

[01:18:30] no,

[01:18:30] I'm like,

[01:18:31] imagine every slow Angel Olsen song,

[01:18:33] but like chopped and screwed.

[01:18:34] And they're like,

[01:18:35] what?

[01:18:35] So just like really slow.

[01:18:36] I'm like,

[01:18:37] yes,

[01:18:37] like they're really interesting songs,

[01:18:39] but they're like all 70 BPM.

[01:18:42] Wild.

[01:18:43] The record,

[01:18:43] actually the records got a couple of bangers on it.

[01:18:45] There's a reason why you should probably at least like,

[01:18:48] listen to like,

[01:18:48] go on her Spotify.

[01:18:49] Like there's a couple of songs there.

[01:18:51] I'm not going to listen to them at the gym,

[01:18:53] but like I might put them on while I'm like doing dishes or something.

[01:18:56] But,

[01:18:56] uh,

[01:18:57] she has a good voice.

[01:18:58] She dresses really nice.

[01:19:00] She has,

[01:19:00] you know,

[01:19:01] she's got a vibe.

[01:19:02] Okay.

[01:19:02] She's got a good band.

[01:19:04] Um,

[01:19:04] bully was the opener though,

[01:19:06] which I think is the thing that I was most excited about.

[01:19:08] Um,

[01:19:08] I haven't seen them in a couple of years and let's see them on a tour like that.

[01:19:13] Um,

[01:19:13] it was pretty neat.

[01:19:14] Cause the first time I photographed them,

[01:19:15] they were playing a coffee house here in St.

[01:19:17] Louis to,

[01:19:17] uh,

[01:19:18] not even 40 people.

[01:19:19] And here they're opening up for,

[01:19:21] you know,

[01:19:22] Suki war house.

[01:19:23] Who's playing 3000,

[01:19:24] 4000 cap rooms.

[01:19:25] Um,

[01:19:26] unfortunately St.

[01:19:27] Louis just did not have the,

[01:19:28] the riz for Suki war house,

[01:19:30] but it was a good performance.

[01:19:31] Uh,

[01:19:31] she sounded great.

[01:19:33] I got some really great photos,

[01:19:34] but it was also just this weird thing of like,

[01:19:37] uh,

[01:19:38] Oh,

[01:19:38] this could have been like a thousand cap room.

[01:19:40] And it would have been fine.

[01:19:42] Would have sold it out.

[01:19:43] Yeah.

[01:19:43] You could have put it in the pageant was sold out.

[01:19:45] You could have put it in Delmar hall.

[01:19:46] It would have been comfy.

[01:19:47] Wouldn't have been able to take that big check.

[01:19:49] I know.

[01:19:50] Yeah.

[01:19:50] That's the trick.

[01:19:51] And if I had my druthers,

[01:19:53] I would much rather sell out a small room than have an empty big room.

[01:19:57] Oh,

[01:19:58] it's not about what you want.

[01:19:59] It's about what the,

[01:20:00] I know.

[01:20:01] Oh yeah.

[01:20:03] Yeah.

[01:20:04] Ain't that always the way I've had a few promoters.

[01:20:06] Tell me stories about like,

[01:20:08] yeah,

[01:20:08] you guys can play my,

[01:20:10] the bigger room that I have access to,

[01:20:12] but no one's going to show up.

[01:20:13] Or you can play the smaller room and have a fucking barn burner for sure.

[01:20:16] And make the same amount of money.

[01:20:18] No,

[01:20:18] I want my band to be miserable.

[01:20:20] Okay.

[01:20:21] It really does feel like that.

[01:20:23] That's the choice.

[01:20:24] But yeah.

[01:20:25] Suki water house.

[01:20:26] Good tour.

[01:20:27] Uh,

[01:20:27] great live performance.

[01:20:29] Uh,

[01:20:29] I hope she decides to come back to St.

[01:20:31] Louis sometime.

[01:20:31] The last time I was there for,

[01:20:33] uh,

[01:20:33] at the factory was for,

[01:20:34] uh,

[01:20:35] King Gizzard and the lizard wizard.

[01:20:36] And that was like sold out and like fucking insane.

[01:20:38] People were losing their fucking minds over a bunch of Australian dudes playing microtonal songs.

[01:20:43] Like the fuck.

[01:20:45] Suki's just paying her dues guys.

[01:20:48] She's just paying her dues.

[01:20:49] She's,

[01:20:49] she's,

[01:20:50] she's paying her dues in the,

[01:20:51] in the,

[01:20:51] the 3,200 cap rooms in the Midwest.

[01:20:54] Yeah.

[01:20:57] This is her sleeping on Florida.

[01:21:03] God damn.

[01:21:06] We still got it.

[01:21:09] You got to start somewhere,

[01:21:10] right?

[01:21:11] Fellas.

[01:21:11] Yeah.

[01:21:12] Jesus.

[01:21:13] Just cause you're bored on Thursdays.

[01:21:16] Doesn't mean to ride the home.

[01:21:17] These days you have to start at the top,

[01:21:19] bro.

[01:21:20] Fucking sick,

[01:21:21] sad world.

[01:21:21] Isn't it?

[01:21:22] Fuck.

[01:21:23] God damn.

[01:21:24] That was an uplifting talk.

[01:21:26] Boys.

[01:21:29] That sound tells me that it's time to end the,

[01:21:31] everything's fuck until next time.

[01:21:34] We'll see you guys.

[01:21:36] Yeah.

[01:21:36] So this is part of the show where we would tell people where to find us online.

[01:21:40] Let's go ahead and start with Joe.

[01:21:41] Joe,

[01:21:41] work when they find you on the old internet.

[01:21:43] I don't have a website,

[01:21:44] but American primitive does American primitive.org backslash.

[01:21:50] Fuck you.

[01:21:50] Hell yeah.

[01:21:51] Travis,

[01:21:52] how about you?

[01:21:52] I'm buddy head.com buddy head underscore on Instagram and lost Angeles,

[01:22:00] 1457 on Instagram as well.

[01:22:02] And don't forget patrion.com slash buddy head,

[01:22:04] right?

[01:22:04] That's true.

[01:22:05] Yeah.

[01:22:05] And you can sign up for the email list so I can spam you on buddy head.com.

[01:22:09] Let's go.

[01:22:10] And that keeps you informed of all our bullshit.

[01:22:14] Awesome.

[01:22:14] Yeah.

[01:22:15] Yeah.

[01:22:15] And we,

[01:22:15] and if you join the Patreon,

[01:22:17] you get access to the discord,

[01:22:19] the discord server,

[01:22:20] which has like 3000 people on there and it's a,

[01:22:24] it's his own little world there.

[01:22:25] So yeah,

[01:22:26] that's my,

[01:22:26] that's my pitch.

[01:22:27] Brian,

[01:22:28] how about you?

[01:22:28] Hell yeah.

[01:22:29] Hell yeah.

[01:22:29] Um,

[01:22:30] yeah,

[01:22:30] you can find me on Twitter at,

[01:22:33] uh,

[01:22:33] I shot Gidi board,

[01:22:34] I S H O T G U I D B or D Instagram at a music photographer.com.

[01:22:39] I keep it simple.

[01:22:40] Uh,

[01:22:41] I have a website that's never going to be working again.

[01:22:43] It's a music photographer.com.

[01:22:45] But if you want to check out my portfolio,

[01:22:47] which is always going to be up,

[01:22:49] um,

[01:22:49] it's,

[01:22:49] uh,

[01:22:50] asshole music photographer.com.

[01:22:51] If you want to check out the last and only good music,

[01:22:53] me,

[01:22:54] a website in St.

[01:22:55] Louis to go over to the arts,

[01:22:56] stl.com.

[01:22:57] Um,

[01:22:57] I'm a mannequin pussy photos just went up the other day.

[01:23:00] Thanks to Jason green.

[01:23:02] Uh,

[01:23:02] that was a killer ass show.

[01:23:04] Please check that out.

[01:23:04] There's a lot of other good stuff.

[01:23:05] I think they're on 150 days straight of new content.

[01:23:08] People are putting in the work,

[01:23:09] uh,

[01:23:10] and,

[01:23:10] uh,

[01:23:10] reward them with your eyeball minutes.

[01:23:12] Uh,

[01:23:13] Jason.

[01:23:13] Oh yeah.

[01:23:14] Uh,

[01:23:14] you can find me online,

[01:23:15] any place there's a video crime.

[01:23:16] Chances are that's going to be me.

[01:23:17] That's blue sky and,

[01:23:19] uh,

[01:23:19] pretty much anywhere else.

[01:23:20] Letterboxd,

[01:23:21] whatever you can think of.

[01:23:21] Uh,

[01:23:22] you can also find the show a number of ways.

[01:23:25] My personal favorite is the telephone three,

[01:23:27] one,

[01:23:28] four,

[01:23:28] two,

[01:23:28] four,

[01:23:28] six,

[01:23:29] nine,

[01:23:29] seven,

[01:23:29] six,

[01:23:30] six.

[01:23:30] Six.

[01:23:30] That's three,

[01:23:30] one,

[01:23:31] four.

[01:23:31] Ahoy poo.

[01:23:32] If you like to spell with your telephone,

[01:23:34] you can also shoot us an email.

[01:23:36] Jason at the number four,

[01:23:37] the number eight minutes of dogs barking.com or Brian with a Y at the number four,

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[01:23:43] Dot com.

[01:23:44] And you can also support the show.

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[01:23:51] Thanks.

[01:23:51] I hate it.

[01:23:51] It's the post show hangout where we,

[01:23:53] uh,

[01:23:54] hang out and do whatever.

[01:23:55] Usually complain about stuff.

[01:23:57] Yeah.

[01:23:57] Mostly it's mostly complaining,

[01:23:58] but,

[01:23:59] uh,

[01:23:59] if you sign up for the end of the year,

[01:24:01] which is fast approaching,

[01:24:02] you get yourself a 90 minute commentary track on a Japanese puke fetish video.

[01:24:07] Garo monster home delivery.

[01:24:10] I'm not looking forward to it,

[01:24:11] but we said we were going to do it and God damn it.

[01:24:13] We're going to,

[01:24:13] we're going to make it happen.

[01:24:14] So Merry Christmas,

[01:24:15] everyone.

[01:24:16] We put ourselves through some extreme discomfort.

[01:24:21] We're just going to puke on each other.

[01:24:24] Yeah,

[01:24:25] exactly.

[01:24:26] Good answer.

[01:24:27] Yeah.

[01:24:27] there's really no other way to say it.

[01:24:29] We're going to call up Jeff Wood of chat and see if he can,

[01:24:32] I can get you an interview.

[01:24:33] Let me know.

[01:24:34] Okay.

[01:24:35] You know what?

[01:24:36] You know,

[01:24:36] we'll talk after the show.

[01:24:37] Absolutely.

[01:24:41] Oh man.

[01:24:41] Well,

[01:24:42] as we always say at this time,

[01:24:43] namaste,

[01:24:44] good luck.

[01:24:44] Give mommy a good gut fucking 25th amendment.

[01:24:46] Now who ate all the pussy?

[01:24:48] I got nothing.

[01:24:49] Goodbye.

[01:24:49] Good night.

[01:24:50] We love you.

[01:24:50] Thanks for having us.

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