Buddyhead is For The Children (feat. Travis Keller and Joe Cardamone)

[00:00:00] Huh. I guess I'm just going to let them deal with this. I don't really know how to respond to this...

[00:00:04] ...'cause I'm their publicist.

[00:00:05] I'll tell you how to respond! You give me the thousand fucking dollars!

[00:00:09] I want a G...in quarters.

[00:00:11] 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking, 48, 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking, 48...

[00:00:22] Hoo-whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo!

[00:00:26] Brow!

[00:00:27] Woo-hoo-whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo!

[00:00:43] All right, well, it's 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking.

[00:00:45] My name is Jason.

[00:00:46] This is Brian.

[00:00:47] Hey.

[00:00:47] We got some very special guests in the cut tonight.

[00:00:49] I want to take a minute to introduce them.

[00:00:51] First up, experimental musician, filmmaker, producer, artist,

[00:00:54] not to mention former member of the Icarus Line.

[00:00:57] Please welcome Joe Cardamone.

[00:01:00] And alongside Joe is artist, photographer, filmmaker, music journalist,

[00:01:03] all vinyl DJ, co-founder of Buddyhead Records.

[00:01:07] Please welcome Travis Keller.

[00:01:09] Thanks.

[00:01:09] Thanks for having us.

[00:01:10] Where are you guys located?

[00:01:12] Oh, we're here in St. Louis, Missouri,

[00:01:14] the beautiful Midwestern freezing our asses off type of place.

[00:01:17] Nice.

[00:01:18] I understand you two are in Los Angeles, California.

[00:01:21] We're here and it's chilly enough to wear a jacket.

[00:01:25] I'll take that.

[00:01:26] Yeah.

[00:01:27] This is like the three weeks of the year where it's like jacket weather.

[00:01:30] Yeah.

[00:01:31] I'll take it.

[00:01:32] It's scarf, beanie, gloves, heavy coat weather right now.

[00:01:36] Whoa.

[00:01:37] If you're cheap, it's good weather to keep your meat outside so you don't.

[00:01:41] You don't have to pay for the freezer.

[00:01:43] I always keep my meat outside.

[00:01:46] So for those of you in the audience not familiar with these two, as I mentioned before, Travis,

[00:01:51] co-founder of Buddyhead Records and one of the bands that was on Buddyhead, of course,

[00:01:56] was the Icarus Line.

[00:01:57] Joe here, a former member of them.

[00:01:59] Now, Joe, you went solo, right?

[00:02:00] I mean, I do collaborate with people on the reg, but most of my recorded output over the

[00:02:09] last couple of years has been without a band, Sam's band.

[00:02:12] That's probably the way to go these days.

[00:02:14] I got to be honest.

[00:02:15] Kind of.

[00:02:16] Well, I think the reason a lot of people are doing that kind of stuff or just pared down

[00:02:21] bands is primarily for probably economic reasons.

[00:02:25] Mine was just because it was like playing to stuff I recorded.

[00:02:30] It was like playing to people who were doing exactly what I wanted them to do.

[00:02:35] Makes sense to me.

[00:02:36] Yeah.

[00:02:36] I remember talking to Harbar Superstar one time and he was talking about how back in the

[00:02:41] day he used to tour with an iPod for like that exact reason.

[00:02:44] He did.

[00:02:45] He did.

[00:02:46] But I saw him with bands, too.

[00:02:48] He had kind of a slamming band for a while.

[00:02:50] He did.

[00:02:51] Yeah.

[00:02:51] I was lucky to see him a couple of times, you know, 10, 12 years ago.

[00:02:55] Just what a voice.

[00:02:56] What an incredible voice for an unfortunate looking guy.

[00:03:01] The Ron Jeremy of indie rock or whatever.

[00:03:04] Yeah.

[00:03:04] I was thinking about that and I was also thinking about he's the Stavros Halkus of indie rock

[00:03:09] as well.

[00:03:11] Put them together and you got Harbar.

[00:03:12] Yeah.

[00:03:13] He's now a mailman.

[00:03:16] Yeah.

[00:03:16] That's what I heard.

[00:03:17] He's going to get that government pension.

[00:03:21] Very sweet.

[00:03:21] So much you get it.

[00:03:25] What's happening this week?

[00:03:26] The number one story.

[00:03:28] A United Healthcare CEO gunned down in New York City.

[00:03:32] Can I get an F in the chat?

[00:03:35] Yeah.

[00:03:36] Probably the coolest thing that happened all year.

[00:03:39] Just the beginning.

[00:03:41] Right.

[00:03:41] Let's hope this is a trend.

[00:03:43] Apparently all of the other major insurance companies have taken down like their pages

[00:03:48] for like their board members and stuff on their websites.

[00:03:51] We might.

[00:03:53] We screenshot them.

[00:03:54] We screenshot them.

[00:03:56] Oh yeah.

[00:03:56] They're up there.

[00:03:58] Even the folks at Blue Sky whom I love very much did take down the initial round of CCTV footage of the killing.

[00:04:06] but someone by the name of To Your Left has a copy of the video set to, of all things,

[00:04:13] the solo from Freebird.

[00:04:15] It's all 30 seconds of it.

[00:04:17] It's so good.

[00:04:19] It is the hardest three notes I've ever been playing on guitar.

[00:04:24] Guy's an operator.

[00:04:25] We were cheering in our living rooms, you know what I mean?

[00:04:28] Oh, yeah.

[00:04:28] I had a spring in my step.

[00:04:31] I mean, Travis, you even posted here, the internet is so sick today,

[00:04:34] but imagine if a CEO got blasted every day.

[00:04:39] Yeah, it'd be dope.

[00:04:42] It feels like ad busters in real life.

[00:04:48] For sure.

[00:04:49] They wish.

[00:04:50] So is Ebola a pre-existing position?

[00:04:53] I know everyone's making that joke, but I've had United before.

[00:04:57] It was the worst healthcare ever had in any job.

[00:05:00] I have it currently, and yeah, it's not great.

[00:05:02] I had it for a second.

[00:05:03] I think we all have had it at some point, you know what I mean?

[00:05:07] Yeah.

[00:05:07] I think just seeing the internet's response, too,

[00:05:10] gave me a little faith in humanity again.

[00:05:13] It was pretty much unanimously.

[00:05:15] No one cared.

[00:05:17] Right.

[00:05:18] Yeah, everyone celebrated it.

[00:05:21] I don't think since Shinzo Abe,

[00:05:23] have people felt so good about an assassination?

[00:05:28] Shinzo Abe, that guy got got with the doohickey.

[00:05:33] The fucking fallout gun.

[00:05:35] Yeah, just...

[00:05:37] You know, the guy was buying fireworks and hollowing out the gun power,

[00:05:41] so he had something that combusted.

[00:05:44] You know, just like all this...

[00:05:45] User mag, Taylor Lorenz's newsletter did a great bit on it with the header image that I just love.

[00:05:52] It's the happy star that says, CEO down!

[00:05:55] And all the balloons.

[00:05:56] Title is,

[00:05:57] Why We, in quotes,

[00:05:58] Want Insurance Executives Dead.

[00:06:00] The subhead,

[00:06:01] No, that does not mean people should murder them.

[00:06:03] But if you've watched a loved one suffer and die from insurance denial,

[00:06:07] it's normal to wish the people responsible would suffer the same fate.

[00:06:10] For sure.

[00:06:11] I mean, and it goes through a lot of the exact same jokes that we all just made.

[00:06:16] You know, hope the hospital they took him to was in network.

[00:06:20] Preauthorization for our condolences.

[00:06:23] At It's Big Honkin' on Twitter has this,

[00:06:26] You're laughing?

[00:06:27] A wealthy CEO who profited off the health concerns

[00:06:30] and often worse moments of millions of people's lives got shot point blank in broad daylight

[00:06:34] and they can't find the suspect because too many people wanted him dead to narrow it down

[00:06:37] and you're laughing?

[00:06:40] Yes.

[00:06:41] Yes, I am.

[00:06:42] We're crying tears of joy.

[00:06:44] You think it's going to happen again?

[00:06:45] You think we'll see another one?

[00:06:46] Considering that Blue Cross Blue Shield immediately reversed a particularly onus decision that very same day,

[00:06:52] I'm starting to think they're getting a little freaked out by it at very least.

[00:06:55] I hope someone goes again.

[00:06:57] It would be cool if psychos did this instead of shooting up schools.

[00:07:01] Like if we could redirect them towards American oligarch psychos.

[00:07:08] Man.

[00:07:09] If we just get Andrew Tate to say that the most manly thing you can do is Merc an oligarch

[00:07:15] as he's wallowing away from his Escalade.

[00:07:19] Oh boy.

[00:07:20] Those guys get no love from me.

[00:07:22] But a couple of guys did get some love, at least recently.

[00:07:25] That's right.

[00:07:26] Destiny and Nick Fuentes apparently had an intimate moment taped and leaked.

[00:07:32] You saw this here.

[00:07:33] This was the Express Tribune breaking this story.

[00:07:37] Alleged leaked sex tape of streamer Destiny and Nick Fuentes surfaces online.

[00:07:44] And boy, they look like two guys that worked at GameStop 20 years ago.

[00:07:48] So Destiny is an ostensibly, I don't know, he's more of a centrist.

[00:07:53] He's just kind of a debate YouTuber guy.

[00:07:56] He goes on and he's like, well, you see, capitalism actually rocks.

[00:08:01] And is there also some weird thing of where he might want to have sex with a horse?

[00:08:08] I don't know anything about that.

[00:08:11] Yeah, there's something there.

[00:08:13] That's like all I know about him.

[00:08:16] Oh, okay.

[00:08:17] He's a bait nerd.

[00:08:19] Apparently he's horny for Clydesdales or something.

[00:08:23] Whoa.

[00:08:23] Horse cock.

[00:08:25] Yeah.

[00:08:25] Yeah.

[00:08:26] And then Nick Fuentes is a, well, he's an internet Nazi.

[00:08:31] I think that's the easiest way to go about it.

[00:08:33] He was Kanye's buddy for a minute.

[00:08:35] That's right.

[00:08:36] Oh, yeah.

[00:08:37] Yeah.

[00:08:37] Yeah.

[00:08:37] He was trying to see if they'd let him in the Nazi party.

[00:08:40] They were like, sorry, bud.

[00:08:41] Yeah.

[00:08:44] We liked Jesus, but not enough to let you in.

[00:08:47] Sorry, pal.

[00:08:48] Yeah, pretty much.

[00:08:49] Yeah.

[00:08:50] Just like using a rich guy for a ride across the country on a private jet.

[00:08:55] Just like, yeah, man, I don't know.

[00:08:56] But hey, I gotta go.

[00:08:58] Fucking hell.

[00:09:00] So yeah, apparently the two of them were caught in flagrante in a leaked video.

[00:09:05] Now we'd have no confirmation.

[00:09:06] They got like a gay sex tape?

[00:09:08] Is that what we're saying?

[00:09:09] Yeah, essentially.

[00:09:10] It's a.

[00:09:11] Oh, nice.

[00:09:12] It's a destiny blowing Fuentes.

[00:09:15] But again, we don't know for sure that it's Fuentes, but the guy for sure does look like

[00:09:19] destiny.

[00:09:20] And yeah, it got weird.

[00:09:22] Were they out of the closet before the tape?

[00:09:25] I would imagine not considering Fuentes, you know, is only 26.

[00:09:28] His whole deal is like women are the evil of the world and Jews are awful.

[00:09:33] So probably not.

[00:09:34] So this is how he wanted to do it.

[00:09:38] I guess that could be what he meant by your body, my choice.

[00:09:41] But, you know, totally.

[00:09:42] He did respond to this on Twitter.

[00:09:44] My haters spent their entire Thanksgiving watching gay porn to verify a rumor published

[00:09:51] by a Pakistani newspaper just to hurt my reputation.

[00:09:55] Nick Fuentes derangement syndrome.

[00:09:58] Nice try, bud.

[00:10:03] I did see some comments that whoever the individual that we are saying might be destiny.

[00:10:10] Not a great head game.

[00:10:11] No.

[00:10:12] Which just adds insult to injury.

[00:10:16] And then on Lucky Llama Music got in on this.

[00:10:20] They kept some video of destiny responding to this.

[00:10:25] All right.

[00:10:26] He's saying a friend of his account that he used to talk to three or four years ago got

[00:10:30] hacked.

[00:10:31] Maybe some video released.

[00:10:33] Interesting.

[00:10:34] Hmm.

[00:10:34] How to keep your account safe.

[00:10:36] Multi-factor, man.

[00:10:37] Yeah.

[00:10:37] His OPSEC.

[00:10:38] Very bad.

[00:10:39] OPSEC and the head game.

[00:10:40] Not so great.

[00:10:42] Well, when it's both, that's when you know it's really trouble.

[00:10:46] If you don't have good OPSEC, at least, at least be, you know, gawk gawking.

[00:10:51] Come on.

[00:10:51] Go.

[00:10:52] Be good giving head.

[00:10:53] I mean, you should be good giving head anyways in life, but.

[00:10:57] This is a general rule.

[00:10:59] Yeah.

[00:10:59] Yeah.

[00:11:00] It's that California internet keeps dropping you.

[00:11:02] Hey, the tsunami got us.

[00:11:08] I thought for a split second, maybe, but then I was like, no, wait a minute.

[00:11:11] That's way up north.

[00:11:12] What am I talking about?

[00:11:13] I even asked you that question, too, when we got on, didn't I?

[00:11:16] Like, hey, you guys being affected by that at all?

[00:11:18] My not geography knowing ass.

[00:11:20] Maybe it's another brush fire.

[00:11:22] I don't know.

[00:11:22] I don't know what happens.

[00:11:23] I've not been to California in over 10 years, so I don't know what's going on out there.

[00:11:27] Can you hear us?

[00:11:28] Hey.

[00:11:29] We can now.

[00:11:30] We're actually in Abu Dhabi.

[00:11:31] We lied.

[00:11:35] That would explain a lot.

[00:11:36] Yeah.

[00:11:36] We had to get out of town pretty quick after that footage of the silencer.

[00:11:40] You know what I'm saying?

[00:11:43] Well, I don't know if you guys are familiar with Kiwi Farms.

[00:11:47] You know what that?

[00:11:48] All right.

[00:11:48] So it's a whole website devoted to, like, dunking on people online and all this stuff.

[00:11:52] And they were one of the people to host this Destiny Nick Fuentes blowjob video.

[00:11:57] And I said the surge of traffic to the Kiwi Farms related to Destiny's blowjob video caused a fatal database error.

[00:12:06] And that they needed to roll back to a recent backup.

[00:12:10] So not great.

[00:12:12] Look, if you're...

[00:12:13] The epicenter of hate on the internet was so lathered up and feverish about this that the website crashed.

[00:12:23] Yeah.

[00:12:23] They broke the internet.

[00:12:25] Yeah.

[00:12:25] Literally.

[00:12:26] They pulled a Kim Kardashian.

[00:12:28] They broke that shit.

[00:12:30] Well, speaking of broke that shit, I know you guys were around when this happened the first time.

[00:12:35] But Enron's back.

[00:12:37] Really?

[00:12:37] So a new website appeared, Enron.com.

[00:12:41] Buried in this site is a disclaimer that it is, quote, a parody.

[00:12:45] But it does look very legit.

[00:12:48] Yeah.

[00:12:48] It's very slick.

[00:12:49] It looks like there's a countdown to something.

[00:12:52] There's four days.

[00:12:53] A brownout?

[00:12:54] A countdown to a brownout.

[00:12:55] Yeah.

[00:12:57] And they're doing all these slick videos, you know?

[00:13:00] But one of my favorites is they're spelling out their name in an acrostic, right?

[00:13:03] And it's like energy, nature.

[00:13:05] And then the R is repentant.

[00:13:08] This feels like an old internet parody that we haven't seen in a minute.

[00:13:12] This type of parody?

[00:13:14] Yeah.

[00:13:14] Where it's not too obvious.

[00:13:17] Like, it gives you...

[00:13:18] It takes you a second to realize, like, wait a second.

[00:13:20] Is this for real?

[00:13:22] Is this like bonsai kittens or something?

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:27] But the repentant is...

[00:13:28] It's almost...

[00:13:29] It's like Enron's gone woke, everyone.

[00:13:31] Yeah.

[00:13:32] And then the last is...

[00:13:34] The N is for nice.

[00:13:38] That's cute.

[00:13:39] And so a lot of people have been talking about this naturally.

[00:13:42] They're thinking about, you know, what the hell is this for?

[00:13:44] Or it's counting down to something.

[00:13:46] And, yeah, Ethan Frame on Twitter pointing out that in the terms and conditions, it says

[00:13:52] the information on the website is First Amendment protected parody.

[00:13:56] Represents performance art.

[00:13:57] So that's always nice to know.

[00:13:59] Also buried on the website is a header for decentralization.

[00:14:03] That's right.

[00:14:04] Matt, you know the one, at undefeatedmatt.wifeguy.online.

[00:14:08] Can anyone have Enron returning from the dead to spin up a crypto scam on their bingo card?

[00:14:15] Because that does...

[00:14:16] It feels like a crypto scam in the making.

[00:14:18] Oh, God.

[00:14:19] What do you guys know about crypto?

[00:14:21] Too much.

[00:14:22] Way more than we should.

[00:14:23] Yeah.

[00:14:25] Enough to not mess with it.

[00:14:26] That's my number one.

[00:14:28] I know nothing about it.

[00:14:30] Like, virtually nothing.

[00:14:32] It's fake internet money that could, for a while there, was really only used to buy drugs and

[00:14:39] child porn.

[00:14:40] And now you can...

[00:14:41] Last time I was in Las Vegas, I saw slot machines where you could...

[00:14:45] Oh, no.

[00:14:47] You could buy creds for a slot machine with Bitcoin, which felt like a really exhausting

[00:14:53] task because one of the things about Bitcoin that is not great is its speed of transaction

[00:14:58] is it gets slower and slower as there's more and more data on the blockchain.

[00:15:05] Oh, wow.

[00:15:06] So imagine, like, you really just need to spin your kid's college fund and now you gotta

[00:15:10] wait like 10 minutes for the next hash rate to go through.

[00:15:13] That kills the vibe that Gambler is looking for.

[00:15:16] I just don't see it working in that avenue.

[00:15:18] Oh, especially if the machine's hot.

[00:15:20] You gotta get in there.

[00:15:21] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:15:22] Yeah.

[00:15:22] All the world.

[00:15:23] So you guys aren't into crypto at all?

[00:15:25] Fuck no.

[00:15:26] No.

[00:15:26] I say with a smile on my face.

[00:15:28] Obviously, I would hope that you'd be smart enough to not be.

[00:15:31] But yeah.

[00:15:32] We're just too poor to be into it.

[00:15:33] Well, there's that too.

[00:15:34] You guys just need to start leaking Courtney Love's phone number again until she buys you

[00:15:39] some Ethereum to stop.

[00:15:42] Yeah.

[00:15:43] I mean, I think Travis had some crypto for a minute or something.

[00:15:47] And I think I had it for like two days.

[00:15:49] And I was just like, wait a minute.

[00:15:51] Did I just throw money down a toilet?

[00:15:53] And the answer is yes.

[00:15:55] Yeah, probably.

[00:15:56] Yeah.

[00:15:56] Nine times out of 10.

[00:15:57] It's a bad idea.

[00:15:59] I hate to say it, but yeah.

[00:16:00] I knew a couple people that as a joke had like an old computer and like mind Doge when

[00:16:06] it was worth literally nothing.

[00:16:08] They just kind of like, I got this old computer.

[00:16:10] It's a joke.

[00:16:11] It's a, you know, whatever.

[00:16:12] And then, you know, Doge exploded three or four years ago.

[00:16:16] And a couple of those people are like, where's that hard drive?

[00:16:19] Oh God.

[00:16:20] Where's that hard drive?

[00:16:21] Oh wow.

[00:16:22] That's like, it's probably like 12 grand of Doge.

[00:16:25] That's like sitting on a hard drive somewhere in like my mom's closet back home and.

[00:16:29] Buy that shit.

[00:16:30] Absolutely.

[00:16:30] Well, there's also, there's a guy that's.

[00:16:32] Vegas.

[00:16:33] Yeah, I know.

[00:16:33] Take it to Vegas.

[00:16:34] There's a guy that's like sifting through a landfill.

[00:16:37] Oh God.

[00:16:38] Because there, he believes there's a hard drive of his that he accidentally threw away that

[00:16:42] has Bitcoin on it that is now worth $800 million.

[00:16:47] Tight.

[00:16:48] That is a, that's gotta give you a certain kind of madness.

[00:16:51] The, the sift through a landfill hoping you can find a hard drive that still works.

[00:16:56] That doesn't have a broken platter.

[00:16:58] Right.

[00:16:58] You know, I don't know.

[00:16:59] I don't know if y'all ever seen a landfill, but there's a lot of shit in there.

[00:17:01] He should, he should just move to the dump.

[00:17:03] It's like, just move there, bro.

[00:17:05] Just live there.

[00:17:05] You can be like the fucking dad from a trailer park boys living in the dump with the seagulls.

[00:17:10] Yeah, man.

[00:17:12] Oscar the Grouch.

[00:17:14] So my favorite detail, the last thing I'll talk about the Enron thing.

[00:17:17] My favorite detail is at the bottom of the page.

[00:17:19] If you go and you subscribe to their newsletter for whatever godly reason, you'd want to do

[00:17:23] that at the bottom of that email that you first get the address.

[00:17:27] Yeah, that's right.

[00:17:28] 1100 Ocean Boulevard, Palm Beach, Florida.

[00:17:31] Mar-a-Lago, everybody.

[00:17:33] Nice.

[00:17:35] The summer White House.

[00:17:37] Yes.

[00:17:38] Tight.

[00:17:38] Well, speaking of crypto, though, it is time for our Crypto Scam of the Week.

[00:17:44] You're listening to 48 Minutes of Dogs Barking, the podcast.

[00:17:48] And now it's time for the Crypto Scam of the Week.

[00:17:52] I know.

[00:17:54] That's right.

[00:17:54] Drum roll that shit.

[00:17:55] Exactly.

[00:17:56] We got something special this week.

[00:17:57] So I suppose, because the two of you are on the internet, you're familiar with Hayley

[00:18:02] Welch, also known as the Hawk Tua Girl.

[00:18:05] Heard everyone lost their money.

[00:18:09] They did indeed.

[00:18:13] So this here from the Cointelegraph.

[00:18:16] Hawk Tua meme coin dumps 90% amid a backlash over the controversial launch.

[00:18:23] The launch of Hayley Welch's Hawk Tua meme coin sparked outrage because the token pumped

[00:18:28] and then dumped right away.

[00:18:30] She has denied any insider sales or activity.

[00:18:34] Yeah, I know.

[00:18:34] It was launched 10 p.m. UTC yesterday, rose to a peak market cap of $490 million.

[00:18:44] It then dropped to a valuation of $41.7 million, 90% in three hours, according to this screen

[00:18:52] grab here from Deck Screener.

[00:18:54] Hoo boy.

[00:18:56] Yeah, don't spit on that thing.

[00:18:58] Yeah.

[00:18:59] If I'm going to do a Morning Zoo DJ riff on that.

[00:19:02] What's next?

[00:19:03] Crazy frog coin?

[00:19:04] I mean, it's just...

[00:19:05] It's probably already out there, yeah.

[00:19:06] I'm sure someone's done it, but just...

[00:19:09] We want to talk about getting riv whatever goodwill you have.

[00:19:13] Launching a crypto coin seems to be a really good way of making sure whatever minutes of

[00:19:18] fame you have that are left are completely spent.

[00:19:22] She's just cashing out.

[00:19:23] I mean, look, who can blame her?

[00:19:25] Because clearly the Talk Tua podcast isn't going that hot.

[00:19:28] It's already over.

[00:19:29] I probably would have done the same thing, to be honest.

[00:19:31] Someone's like, look, this is almost over.

[00:19:33] Let's burn this place down.

[00:19:35] I'd be like, all right, fuck it.

[00:19:38] The Hawken...

[00:19:39] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[00:19:41] There's an image that Hayley Welch herself on Twitter posted.

[00:19:45] Hawkenomics.

[00:19:46] Sick.

[00:19:46] And it's breaking down all the different details about the coin, but the post that accompanies

[00:19:52] it is very funny.

[00:19:53] Team hasn't sold one token, and not one KOL was given one free token.

[00:19:58] We tried to stop snipers as best we could through high fees in the start of launch.

[00:20:04] Fees have now been dropped.

[00:20:05] So she's going back to that well.

[00:20:07] Yeah, one wallet managed to snipe all the tokens, purchasing 17.5% of the supply, and then dump

[00:20:15] it for $1.3 million worth of profit.

[00:20:18] And good work if you can find it.

[00:20:20] You know what they say.

[00:20:21] Stick with what doesn't work.

[00:20:25] When it comes to crypto or practically anything else, yes, I would be inclined to agree.

[00:20:29] What happened to just having your own hot sauce?

[00:20:32] Right.

[00:20:32] The hot sauce that spits on the thing that you want to be hot.

[00:20:36] Tua and hot sauce.

[00:20:38] Sauce Tua?

[00:20:40] Hot on that thing?

[00:20:41] Yeah.

[00:20:44] Do I have to come up with every idea for her?

[00:20:46] Do you have to do everything for them?

[00:20:48] Yeah, I'd buy that hot sauce.

[00:20:50] I would too, for the novelty of having the bottle, but still.

[00:20:53] It can't be any worse than Steve-O's hot sauce.

[00:20:56] Have you guys had the Steve-O hot sauce?

[00:20:58] Unfortunately, I have not really had the pleasure yet, you know?

[00:21:01] How about you?

[00:21:01] I haven't.

[00:21:03] I've heard it's okay.

[00:21:04] You'd think from Steve-O it'd be a little bit more gnarly?

[00:21:07] Yeah.

[00:21:08] You know, it makes you want to do an acid drop off the back of a semi or something, but like...

[00:21:12] You expect it to taste worse coming from Steve-O?

[00:21:15] I don't know.

[00:21:17] You guys are supposed to put it in your eyes.

[00:21:21] Oh, that's okay.

[00:21:23] Start it.

[00:21:24] Fucking it up, man.

[00:21:25] Well, my brother, he lived in Santa Fe for a couple years,

[00:21:28] and he told me that there were so many burnt-out hippie types in that town

[00:21:33] that you'd just be driving through and see some guy on his front porch putting habanero oil in his eye

[00:21:39] because I was like, he was so burnt out, that was the only way he could get high.

[00:21:44] It's the only way you can feel.

[00:21:46] That's where I'm at.

[00:21:47] Yeah, yeah.

[00:21:48] We're getting close to that juncture in our lives, to be honest.

[00:21:51] Yeah, where are you guys at right now as far as...

[00:21:54] I want a new drug.

[00:21:56] Yeah, yeah.

[00:21:57] We're still at the pouring lemon juice and cuts stage,

[00:22:01] but we'll get to the hot sauce in the eye.

[00:22:03] Have you guys thought about adding salt to the lemon juice?

[00:22:07] Down.

[00:22:08] I'm down for whatever can make the pain fade.

[00:22:16] Well, speaking of making the pain fade, I don't know.

[00:22:19] That's the best transition I got right now.

[00:22:20] We're here to talk about, of course, both the return of Buddyhead

[00:22:25] and this Indiegogo for On The Lash, the Buddyhead movie.

[00:22:30] We got about 40 days left as of this recording.

[00:22:33] It'll be about 30 or so days once this comes out.

[00:22:36] We're at about 10 grand.

[00:22:37] How are we feeling?

[00:22:38] I'm feeling like some people haven't put in enough money,

[00:22:42] but also grateful that it seems pretty good for how far we're in.

[00:22:48] I need some of my big spenders to step up to the plate.

[00:22:50] That's for sure.

[00:22:51] I appreciate the fans and audience that has been supportive so far,

[00:22:57] and then there's a couple sugar daddies out there

[00:23:00] that know that they could fucking drive this train.

[00:23:03] So it's like, let's go champions.

[00:23:05] You fucking call up Axel.

[00:23:07] Right?

[00:23:09] Courtney Love.

[00:23:10] I mean, you know.

[00:23:12] We're trying to get the word out now.

[00:23:14] All right, so tell me about the movie.

[00:23:15] On The Lash, I've seen both of the trailers

[00:23:17] that you put up here on the Kickstarter,

[00:23:18] and they look fucking amazing.

[00:23:20] 250 DV tapes?

[00:23:22] Yeah.

[00:23:23] I don't know.

[00:23:23] I came from skateboarding,

[00:23:25] and that was like, you know,

[00:23:27] you had to kind of film everything

[00:23:29] to prove that you pulled certain tricks and stuff.

[00:23:33] So I kind of grew up, like, documenting my friends

[00:23:35] and skateboarding and made skateboard videos.

[00:23:38] And then when I moved to L.A.,

[00:23:40] I kind of landed in the middle of the punk scene

[00:23:42] with the Icker sign,

[00:23:43] and I just kind of kept filming.

[00:23:45] And my friends were in bands

[00:23:48] and putting on shows

[00:23:49] and, you know, going on tour and stuff.

[00:23:52] So, yeah, it's just something

[00:23:54] I've always kind of done is document my life.

[00:23:57] And when I landed in L.A.,

[00:23:58] I just knew I was in the middle of something special.

[00:24:00] So I started hauling tapes and batteries

[00:24:03] and video cameras around, you know.

[00:24:06] That's a lot of tapes.

[00:24:06] Where were you, like, storing these?

[00:24:08] Was this just kind of like,

[00:24:09] I found it in a storage locker?

[00:24:11] That's kind of like a whole other story, really,

[00:24:14] just how the tapes have survived.

[00:24:16] But, I mean, yeah.

[00:24:18] They were like in a shoebox.

[00:24:19] Yeah, they were like in a shoebox,

[00:24:20] and it's traveled around.

[00:24:22] It's kind of amazing

[00:24:23] that they actually did survive.

[00:24:25] It's changed hands and ownership

[00:24:28] and been stolen and retrieved.

[00:24:30] And, yeah, there's a whole saga

[00:24:32] to the tapes unto themselves,

[00:24:34] but they finally made their way back home,

[00:24:36] which is nuts.

[00:24:37] It does sound like a bit of a journey there.

[00:24:39] What was the imperative

[00:24:41] to start putting this project together?

[00:24:44] It's something that we've wanted to do

[00:24:46] since I shot the tapes.

[00:24:47] Like, even on the tapes,

[00:24:49] we're telling people that we're making a movie.

[00:24:51] So it's like,

[00:24:51] it was always the intent to do this.

[00:24:54] Like, since like we shot it,

[00:24:56] I guess we thought we were important.

[00:24:58] It's just kind of taken this long

[00:25:00] for us to kind of have,

[00:25:01] I think, the mental space

[00:25:02] or to like be able to like step back

[00:25:04] and look at it.

[00:25:05] Like, I guess the time.

[00:25:06] Yeah, just like an emotional distance from it

[00:25:08] so that we don't have to,

[00:25:10] you know, get wrapped up

[00:25:12] in our own egos too much.

[00:25:13] Yeah, yeah.

[00:25:14] It's, you know,

[00:25:15] because like a lot of the people

[00:25:16] that are on the tapes,

[00:25:17] like either we're not friends with

[00:25:19] or some of them aren't even alive.

[00:25:21] And, you know, it's our lives.

[00:25:23] So even putting the tapes in

[00:25:24] in like 2020

[00:25:25] was like kind of a heavy experience for me,

[00:25:27] you know,

[00:25:27] because there's like just a lot of people

[00:25:28] that we don't see anymore.

[00:25:30] And then as like,

[00:25:31] we've kind of like worked with it

[00:25:32] and watched the tapes

[00:25:34] and logged them

[00:25:34] and put them all on the computer,

[00:25:35] it's kind of become more of like,

[00:25:38] they're all kind of characters

[00:25:39] and now I'm kind of like excited

[00:25:40] to make this movie.

[00:25:42] I guess that's a long way of saying

[00:25:43] like we're finally at the place now

[00:25:45] where we kind of have like

[00:25:46] enough distance from all of it

[00:25:47] to like,

[00:25:48] I think kind of make the movie

[00:25:49] that we've always wanted to make

[00:25:50] and that like the fans

[00:25:53] also want to see.

[00:25:54] I'm really stoked about the project.

[00:25:56] To give a little bit of history

[00:25:57] about myself in high school,

[00:25:58] I have a friend

[00:26:01] who turned me on the buddy head.

[00:26:03] He was always like,

[00:26:04] oh, dude,

[00:26:05] you got to check out Icarus Line.

[00:26:06] You got to check out Hot Snakes,

[00:26:07] all this stuff,

[00:26:08] you know,

[00:26:08] Trail of Dead

[00:26:09] because I didn't have internet

[00:26:10] at home at the time,

[00:26:12] but he did

[00:26:12] because his dad was a weirdo.

[00:26:14] But that was always like,

[00:26:16] man, you got to do this.

[00:26:16] And like the gossip page

[00:26:18] ended up being like

[00:26:19] one of our favorite things.

[00:26:21] Like, you know,

[00:26:21] I'd come to school

[00:26:22] and he'd be like,

[00:26:22] hey, man,

[00:26:23] they updated the gossip page.

[00:26:25] You got to check this out.

[00:26:26] And for me

[00:26:27] as a weirdo kid

[00:26:29] in the Midwest,

[00:26:30] like seeing that

[00:26:31] there was something going on

[00:26:32] and that there was,

[00:26:33] you know,

[00:26:34] really creative writing

[00:26:35] and documentation.

[00:26:37] It was funny.

[00:26:38] It wasn't,

[00:26:38] it wasn't boring.

[00:26:39] I mean,

[00:26:40] like I love Grail Marcus.

[00:26:41] I think he's a great music journalist,

[00:26:42] but I don't want to read everything

[00:26:44] that feels very academic like that.

[00:26:47] I want something to feel

[00:26:48] a little weird

[00:26:50] and a little edgy

[00:26:51] and a little,

[00:26:53] not afraid to speak truth to power.

[00:26:56] It's like hanging out

[00:26:57] with your friends

[00:26:57] instead of like some square

[00:27:00] that's trying to like

[00:27:01] write something

[00:27:01] that your parents

[00:27:02] could also read,

[00:27:03] you know?

[00:27:04] I came into it

[00:27:05] as someone who read

[00:27:06] Spin Magazine

[00:27:08] religiously

[00:27:08] and I was like,

[00:27:09] well, you know,

[00:27:09] let's see what this whole

[00:27:10] internet thing is about.

[00:27:11] And then I stumbled upon

[00:27:13] the gossip page.

[00:27:14] I was like,

[00:27:14] okay,

[00:27:15] you're not going to see

[00:27:15] Chuck Klosterman

[00:27:16] writing this shit.

[00:27:18] There was really nothing else

[00:27:19] like it

[00:27:20] and not much

[00:27:21] like it since.

[00:27:22] When it came to the things

[00:27:24] like the gossip page,

[00:27:26] was that just kind of like

[00:27:27] taking a shot

[00:27:28] at the establishment

[00:27:29] or was it just like

[00:27:30] we're in these weird circles

[00:27:32] and we're running around

[00:27:33] all these people.

[00:27:34] And I remember,

[00:27:35] Travis,

[00:27:36] there's a photo of you

[00:27:37] or that you took

[00:27:38] of Jack Osborne

[00:27:40] like smoking a foily

[00:27:42] or something

[00:27:42] in the back of someone's car.

[00:27:43] Like that seems like

[00:27:45] to me still like

[00:27:46] how'd you end up

[00:27:47] in that situation?

[00:27:49] It was Kelly Osborne.

[00:27:50] Oh, Kelly.

[00:27:50] Okay.

[00:27:51] Sorry.

[00:27:52] Yeah.

[00:27:53] I have a shot

[00:27:54] with Jack Osborne

[00:27:55] where we're doing

[00:27:56] a shot of tequila though.

[00:27:57] Oh, hell yeah.

[00:27:58] And I think

[00:27:58] he's like a teenager.

[00:28:02] Entertainment community

[00:28:03] was not so segregated

[00:28:04] back then.

[00:28:05] Before cell phones.

[00:28:07] Yeah.

[00:28:07] So you would just

[00:28:08] kind of run into people

[00:28:09] at things.

[00:28:09] I think people

[00:28:11] weren't worried

[00:28:11] about getting

[00:28:12] their photo taken

[00:28:13] or anything like that

[00:28:15] back then.

[00:28:15] So I think

[00:28:15] it was a lot easier

[00:28:16] to kind of just

[00:28:18] hang out with someone

[00:28:19] and snap a photo

[00:28:20] and no one's even

[00:28:21] thinking about it

[00:28:22] because where's

[00:28:22] that going to end up?

[00:28:23] Well, yeah,

[00:28:24] because the one

[00:28:24] that I keep thinking of

[00:28:25] is Trent Reznor

[00:28:26] holding the black dildo,

[00:28:29] which you have

[00:28:30] for sale.

[00:28:31] I'm not allowed

[00:28:31] to sell it

[00:28:32] as a t-shirt anymore.

[00:28:33] Oh, no.

[00:28:35] Oh, man.

[00:28:37] How did that happen?

[00:28:39] I don't know.

[00:28:39] Someone told on me

[00:28:40] and my store

[00:28:42] got a letter

[00:28:43] and then I got

[00:28:44] shut down for selling.

[00:28:45] You can't sell

[00:28:45] merch, I guess,

[00:28:46] but I can sell prints

[00:28:48] and I have prints

[00:28:48] for sale.

[00:28:49] Honestly,

[00:28:49] it was his idea

[00:28:51] to take the photo.

[00:28:54] Having seen

[00:28:55] the two cassette

[00:28:57] thing closure

[00:28:58] where it's a lot

[00:28:58] of backstage footage,

[00:29:00] it makes sense.

[00:29:01] My friend had

[00:29:02] a bootleg of that.

[00:29:03] Yeah, it was pretty gnarly.

[00:29:04] Yeah, that era

[00:29:05] of touring,

[00:29:05] Trent was really

[00:29:06] just being a real weirdo,

[00:29:07] so it makes sense.

[00:29:09] And, you know,

[00:29:09] he used to hang out

[00:29:10] with Pig Face and stuff,

[00:29:11] so that kind of fits.

[00:29:13] Yeah, he was sober

[00:29:14] when I knew him,

[00:29:15] or at least,

[00:29:15] I mean, I think,

[00:29:16] you know.

[00:29:17] It was a

[00:29:18] with teeth era.

[00:29:20] Oh, okay.

[00:29:20] I saw Nine Inch Nails

[00:29:22] on that tour,

[00:29:23] and that's probably

[00:29:24] the best I've ever

[00:29:25] seen them.

[00:29:25] I've seen them

[00:29:26] a few times.

[00:29:27] Watching Aaron

[00:29:29] fucking thrash

[00:29:30] around his hagstrom,

[00:29:31] this whole entire set,

[00:29:33] and Josh Homey

[00:29:34] from Queens of the Stone Age

[00:29:36] making fun of the crowd.

[00:29:37] The crowd did not

[00:29:38] have any movement

[00:29:39] except for

[00:29:39] No One Knows,

[00:29:40] and when it came

[00:29:41] to that big breakdown,

[00:29:42] they just didn't play it.

[00:29:44] And he's like,

[00:29:44] yeah, try and mosh

[00:29:45] to that,

[00:29:45] you dumbasses.

[00:29:46] I'm like,

[00:29:47] amazing.

[00:29:48] So the documentary

[00:29:49] is called

[00:29:49] On the Lash,

[00:29:50] though,

[00:29:50] if I remember

[00:29:51] my Icarus line correctly,

[00:29:52] that is an Icarus line song,

[00:29:54] yes?

[00:29:54] Correct.

[00:29:55] It was a single.

[00:29:56] It was on the

[00:29:56] Underworld soundtrack.

[00:29:57] One of our many hit songs.

[00:30:00] I was going to say,

[00:30:01] I knew it from somewhere,

[00:30:02] right?

[00:30:02] Yeah,

[00:30:02] it's the Underworld soundtrack.

[00:30:03] Sure, yeah.

[00:30:04] It's also Australian slang

[00:30:06] for being fucked up

[00:30:08] or being on a run.

[00:30:10] Yeah,

[00:30:10] a wasteoid.

[00:30:11] Being a wasteoid,

[00:30:12] being fucked up,

[00:30:13] yeah.

[00:30:13] It's slang for that.

[00:30:15] They had a tour

[00:30:16] called the On Lash tour

[00:30:17] that was through Australia

[00:30:18] as well.

[00:30:18] It's not an original idea.

[00:30:21] I love Australian slang.

[00:30:23] One of my favorite ones

[00:30:23] is when you take a smoke break

[00:30:25] and you're on smoko.

[00:30:26] I just love that.

[00:30:28] I'm on smoko.

[00:30:31] Yeah,

[00:30:32] it's better with the accent

[00:30:33] for sure.

[00:30:33] It sounds real

[00:30:34] once you use the accent.

[00:30:36] Yeah,

[00:30:36] exactly.

[00:30:37] Yeah,

[00:30:37] me saying it

[00:30:38] in my natural,

[00:30:39] no,

[00:30:39] it doesn't.

[00:30:39] I didn't believe you

[00:30:40] until you did the accent.

[00:30:41] I was like,

[00:30:41] I don't know.

[00:30:42] There's a band

[00:30:43] called The Chats.

[00:30:44] They even wrote a whole song.

[00:30:45] I'm on smoko,

[00:30:46] so leave me alone.

[00:30:47] That's right.

[00:30:48] I've heard of The Chats.

[00:30:49] They're like a punk band,

[00:30:51] right?

[00:30:51] Kind of like an angular

[00:30:53] punk band.

[00:30:54] Yeah,

[00:30:55] like an Australian thermals.

[00:30:57] Yeah,

[00:30:57] yeah,

[00:30:58] yeah.

[00:30:58] One of my young friends

[00:31:00] turned me on to them.

[00:31:01] I have one thing

[00:31:03] that bugs me.

[00:31:04] So multiple times

[00:31:05] it says in the trailer

[00:31:06] you turn down

[00:31:07] big money

[00:31:08] for someone else

[00:31:09] to buy the website.

[00:31:10] Yeah,

[00:31:11] yeah,

[00:31:11] we did this

[00:31:11] a bunch of times.

[00:31:13] Like,

[00:31:13] den.net

[00:31:14] offered us money,

[00:31:15] different labels

[00:31:16] offered us money.

[00:31:17] Labels wanted to buy

[00:31:18] Buddyhead?

[00:31:19] Yeah,

[00:31:19] I think like

[00:31:19] it was either Interscope

[00:31:21] or someone like that.

[00:31:22] Oh my God.

[00:31:23] Is it because you guys

[00:31:23] stole Fred Durst's hat?

[00:31:26] We gotta shut these guys down.

[00:31:27] I mean,

[00:31:28] honestly,

[00:31:28] it was just like

[00:31:29] the dot-com boom.

[00:31:30] It was because like,

[00:31:31] you know,

[00:31:31] we had an audience.

[00:31:32] We had 9.5 million people

[00:31:34] looking at the site

[00:31:35] and yeah,

[00:31:36] I guess,

[00:31:37] you know,

[00:31:37] I don't know,

[00:31:38] Joe?

[00:31:38] What about it?

[00:31:39] I don't know.

[00:31:41] What about it?

[00:31:42] You know what?

[00:31:42] Best answer.

[00:31:43] That's good.

[00:31:44] What are you asking again?

[00:31:45] Yeah,

[00:31:45] we fucking,

[00:31:46] we turned down,

[00:31:47] we blew all kinds

[00:31:48] of big opportunities.

[00:31:49] Like,

[00:31:49] we came from like punk rock

[00:31:51] and just thought like,

[00:31:52] you know,

[00:31:52] selling out was like

[00:31:53] the worst thing you could do.

[00:31:54] Yeah,

[00:31:55] yeah,

[00:31:55] we came of age

[00:31:56] in the 90s.

[00:31:57] So it was like

[00:31:57] an embarrassment

[00:31:58] to align with products

[00:31:59] that you didn't,

[00:32:01] develop yourself.

[00:32:02] So like any like product

[00:32:04] that isn't,

[00:32:06] you know,

[00:32:07] from your circle

[00:32:08] seemed very suspect to us

[00:32:11] and like relinquishing control,

[00:32:14] creative control

[00:32:14] of your voice

[00:32:15] or your art

[00:32:16] also just did not sit well

[00:32:18] with us at all,

[00:32:19] you know?

[00:32:20] So we really had a hard time

[00:32:22] kind of selling out,

[00:32:23] which is maybe unfortunate

[00:32:25] in the long run,

[00:32:26] but that's where we were at.

[00:32:28] Yeah,

[00:32:29] we just didn't have anyone

[00:32:29] telling us that like,

[00:32:31] you know,

[00:32:31] that that was a good idea

[00:32:32] or not.

[00:32:33] We were like in control

[00:32:34] and also I was like,

[00:32:35] not like I was rich,

[00:32:36] but I was like making enough money

[00:32:38] to like survive

[00:32:38] and like catch up

[00:32:40] with the Icarus Line on tour

[00:32:41] and like do whatever I wanted.

[00:32:42] So to relinquish like

[00:32:45] the vision

[00:32:45] and the name

[00:32:46] and all of that

[00:32:47] to like something

[00:32:48] that would probably

[00:32:49] ultimately just be whack.

[00:32:51] Destroy it.

[00:32:52] You know,

[00:32:52] it just seemed like,

[00:32:54] yeah,

[00:32:55] it just never seemed

[00:32:55] like an option

[00:32:56] because I just assumed

[00:32:57] if it was worth 9 million now,

[00:32:58] it's going to be worth

[00:32:59] like 20 million

[00:33:00] in a few years.

[00:33:00] So we'll just fucking hang out.

[00:33:02] Yeah.

[00:33:02] And we both have a like

[00:33:05] sort of innate distrust

[00:33:06] for authority too,

[00:33:08] just like naturally.

[00:33:09] So that just doesn't help

[00:33:11] with any of that kind of shit.

[00:33:12] In the intervening years,

[00:33:13] you did build American Primitive,

[00:33:15] which is pretty damn amazing.

[00:33:17] And Los Angeles.

[00:33:19] Yeah,

[00:33:19] that's our new baby.

[00:33:20] Pretty damn impressive.

[00:33:21] I'm psyched to see

[00:33:23] both the doc

[00:33:24] and whatever else comes out

[00:33:26] from this.

[00:33:26] I know that you guys

[00:33:27] have already done

[00:33:28] 40 music videos.

[00:33:29] A bunch.

[00:33:30] Yeah,

[00:33:30] a bunch.

[00:33:31] That's got to be pretty dope

[00:33:32] having that just like

[00:33:33] we can do what we want.

[00:33:34] Yeah,

[00:33:35] it's great to be able

[00:33:36] to have creative control.

[00:33:37] There's always a,

[00:33:38] you know,

[00:33:39] trade off for that.

[00:33:40] It's great for us

[00:33:40] to be able to kind of

[00:33:41] run the ship ourselves.

[00:33:43] With that comes like

[00:33:45] responsibility and woes,

[00:33:46] but it also comes freedom.

[00:33:47] You know,

[00:33:48] it's the old like

[00:33:49] going into business

[00:33:50] for yourself thing.

[00:33:51] And it feels like

[00:33:52] LA is probably

[00:33:54] one of the few cities

[00:33:55] where you can like

[00:33:56] try this still.

[00:33:57] I tried to make it

[00:33:59] as a music photographer

[00:34:00] here in St. Louis

[00:34:01] 10 or so years ago

[00:34:02] and crashed and burned

[00:34:04] rather famously

[00:34:06] or infamously

[00:34:06] depending on who

[00:34:07] you talk to.

[00:34:08] I always think like,

[00:34:09] well,

[00:34:09] maybe if I moved

[00:34:10] to like Chicago

[00:34:11] or Atlanta

[00:34:12] or maybe gone out

[00:34:13] to LA

[00:34:14] and maybe I could

[00:34:15] get a couple more

[00:34:15] years out of that

[00:34:17] situation.

[00:34:17] But it seems like

[00:34:19] LA that's still

[00:34:20] one of like

[00:34:21] three or four cities

[00:34:22] where if you want

[00:34:22] to do like

[00:34:23] what you guys

[00:34:23] are doing,

[00:34:24] there's some

[00:34:25] viability left to it.

[00:34:27] Like if you have

[00:34:27] the drive and...

[00:34:28] Yeah,

[00:34:29] it's just a numbers

[00:34:29] thing too

[00:34:30] because there's

[00:34:30] so many people here,

[00:34:32] you know?

[00:34:32] So it's just,

[00:34:34] you know,

[00:34:34] the population

[00:34:35] can support more,

[00:34:38] you know,

[00:34:39] creative endeavors,

[00:34:40] I think.

[00:34:40] Just more people,

[00:34:41] you know?

[00:34:43] In smaller markets,

[00:34:45] yeah,

[00:34:45] it must be like hard

[00:34:46] to be an artist

[00:34:48] in some ways,

[00:34:49] you know?

[00:34:49] Maybe in some ways

[00:34:50] it's cool

[00:34:51] because it's cheaper

[00:34:52] to live.

[00:34:52] So if you're doing

[00:34:53] something that's like

[00:34:54] self-sufficient like

[00:34:55] painting or whatever,

[00:34:57] you can make a go of that.

[00:34:59] But for stuff like

[00:35:01] documenting other art,

[00:35:03] you know,

[00:35:03] there's just going to be

[00:35:04] more opportunities

[00:35:04] because there's more

[00:35:05] people doing shit.

[00:35:06] I got kind of lucky

[00:35:07] when I was making

[00:35:10] a go at it

[00:35:11] because St. Louis

[00:35:12] was kind of having

[00:35:13] a renaissance

[00:35:14] as far as like

[00:35:14] its music scene,

[00:35:15] its art scene,

[00:35:16] its food scene.

[00:35:17] Like it was like

[00:35:17] St. Louis was a

[00:35:18] bummer place to grow up.

[00:35:20] Yeah.

[00:35:20] It was a bummer place

[00:35:21] to live probably

[00:35:22] until about 2009,

[00:35:24] 2010.

[00:35:25] There wasn't a lot

[00:35:25] going on.

[00:35:26] We had this venue

[00:35:27] here in St. Louis

[00:35:27] called the Creepy Crawl.

[00:35:29] I was going to say,

[00:35:30] Joe,

[00:35:31] did you play there?

[00:35:32] For sure.

[00:35:33] Yeah,

[00:35:33] it sucked.

[00:35:34] It was a terrible place

[00:35:35] and it kind of

[00:35:36] gave St. Louis

[00:35:38] a bummer reputation

[00:35:39] among touring bands.

[00:35:41] I remember

[00:35:42] being at shows

[00:35:43] and,

[00:35:44] you know,

[00:35:45] having,

[00:35:45] listening to someone

[00:35:46] from Tilling the Wall

[00:35:47] tell someone that like

[00:35:48] we just told our management

[00:35:49] never to send anyone

[00:35:50] through St. Louis again

[00:35:51] and no one from that management

[00:35:53] came through

[00:35:53] for a number of years

[00:35:54] and,

[00:35:55] but all that

[00:35:56] changed.

[00:35:56] There was a couple venues,

[00:35:58] a couple people

[00:35:58] that like

[00:35:59] had heart

[00:36:00] and had no problem

[00:36:01] wasting a shit ton

[00:36:02] of money

[00:36:03] to like

[00:36:03] book

[00:36:04] Hard Mark Superstar,

[00:36:05] our book

[00:36:06] weird hip hop shows,

[00:36:07] like do stuff

[00:36:08] that wasn't just like

[00:36:10] bad ska music

[00:36:11] or like butt rock.

[00:36:13] Like stuff happened,

[00:36:14] was happening for a couple years

[00:36:15] and it was pretty tight

[00:36:16] and then that kind of all

[00:36:19] fell apart

[00:36:20] five or six years ago

[00:36:21] and now it's kind of

[00:36:22] rebuilding again.

[00:36:23] Yeah,

[00:36:23] like when there's a lot

[00:36:24] going on

[00:36:25] and you have a camera

[00:36:27] it almost feels like

[00:36:28] there's too many things

[00:36:29] to point your camera

[00:36:30] at

[00:36:31] and then there's times

[00:36:33] where it feels like

[00:36:33] you're struggling.

[00:36:34] Sure.

[00:36:35] Joe,

[00:36:35] I gotta ask,

[00:36:36] I still have not seen it,

[00:36:38] I'm gonna grab it

[00:36:40] off of streaming service

[00:36:41] to rent

[00:36:42] but the Icarus line

[00:36:43] must die.

[00:36:45] It's the,

[00:36:45] you co-wrote it,

[00:36:46] you starred in it

[00:36:47] for a feature,

[00:36:49] what was that,

[00:36:50] was that your first feature

[00:36:51] or did you,

[00:36:51] had you done any

[00:36:52] like movie work before?

[00:36:53] I mean,

[00:36:54] yeah,

[00:36:54] that was it,

[00:36:55] man,

[00:36:55] that was the first feature

[00:36:56] for me,

[00:36:57] you know,

[00:36:57] I didn't even really,

[00:36:59] I wasn't even sure

[00:37:00] what we were doing

[00:37:01] when we started it,

[00:37:02] you know,

[00:37:02] it was like,

[00:37:03] what is this thing?

[00:37:04] I thought it was

[00:37:05] gonna be terrible

[00:37:06] when he told me about it.

[00:37:07] Yeah,

[00:37:07] you know,

[00:37:08] it was a shot in the dark.

[00:37:10] Fortunately,

[00:37:10] we had Michael Grodner

[00:37:12] who was like

[00:37:13] kind of holding it

[00:37:14] all together,

[00:37:15] he's the director

[00:37:16] and he definitely

[00:37:18] like believed

[00:37:19] more than I did

[00:37:20] but pretty,

[00:37:22] like pretty quickly

[00:37:23] into the making

[00:37:24] of it,

[00:37:25] it became really

[00:37:26] like a really

[00:37:27] interesting exercise

[00:37:28] to me

[00:37:29] because I had never

[00:37:29] really acted before,

[00:37:31] I'd never written

[00:37:32] on the fly like that

[00:37:33] before and I just

[00:37:34] fucking loved it,

[00:37:36] you know,

[00:37:36] as soon as we did it,

[00:37:37] I was like,

[00:37:37] oh,

[00:37:37] this is cool,

[00:37:38] this is,

[00:37:39] this is how movies

[00:37:40] get made,

[00:37:40] you know,

[00:37:41] or like movies

[00:37:41] that I like

[00:37:42] get made

[00:37:43] and yeah,

[00:37:44] it really actually

[00:37:45] inspired like

[00:37:46] the next sort of

[00:37:46] chapter in my life.

[00:37:48] yeah,

[00:37:49] I think we saw

[00:37:50] that movie

[00:37:50] and especially

[00:37:51] for me,

[00:37:52] like,

[00:37:52] you know,

[00:37:52] I thought it was

[00:37:53] like going to be

[00:37:54] terrible when Joe

[00:37:54] told me about the idea.

[00:37:55] I was like,

[00:37:56] oh,

[00:37:56] someone's going to

[00:37:56] make a movie

[00:37:57] about the Icker

[00:37:57] sign,

[00:37:58] right?

[00:37:59] And then it

[00:37:59] actually became

[00:38:00] like,

[00:38:01] I think it's a

[00:38:01] pretty amazing film

[00:38:02] that like you can

[00:38:03] not even know

[00:38:04] who the Icker

[00:38:04] sign are

[00:38:05] and just,

[00:38:06] it's more about

[00:38:07] just like being

[00:38:07] an artist

[00:38:08] and,

[00:38:08] you know,

[00:38:09] with that type

[00:38:10] of struggle,

[00:38:10] I think anyone

[00:38:11] that's been an

[00:38:11] artist can relate

[00:38:12] to it.

[00:38:13] But at least

[00:38:14] for me,

[00:38:14] like seeing that

[00:38:15] movie made

[00:38:17] movies and

[00:38:18] music videos

[00:38:19] just seemed so

[00:38:20] tangible,

[00:38:20] like,

[00:38:21] oh,

[00:38:21] we can

[00:38:22] definitely,

[00:38:23] definitely do

[00:38:23] this,

[00:38:24] you know?

[00:38:24] Like the whole

[00:38:25] experience made

[00:38:25] it more accessible

[00:38:26] because it was,

[00:38:27] you know,

[00:38:28] it was not so much

[00:38:29] different than like

[00:38:30] throwing a band

[00:38:31] together,

[00:38:32] writing some songs

[00:38:32] and making a record,

[00:38:34] you know,

[00:38:34] it's the same,

[00:38:35] same kind of

[00:38:36] spirit behind it.

[00:38:38] Right,

[00:38:38] because you had a lot

[00:38:39] of musicians kind of

[00:38:39] playing themselves

[00:38:40] in the movie too.

[00:38:41] You had Keith Morris,

[00:38:43] I mean,

[00:38:44] again,

[00:38:44] the members of

[00:38:44] Icarus Line yourself,

[00:38:46] you had Annie Hardy.

[00:38:47] Yeah,

[00:38:48] all kinds of pals.

[00:38:49] Ariel Pink was in the movie,

[00:38:50] that's right,

[00:38:50] that's what I was trying

[00:38:51] to remember.

[00:38:52] Oh yeah.

[00:38:52] So did you know

[00:38:53] Ariel Pink through

[00:38:54] just kind of being

[00:38:56] mutuals via being

[00:38:57] on the road

[00:38:57] or was that something

[00:38:58] more like,

[00:38:58] hey,

[00:38:59] do you want to be

[00:38:59] in the movie?

[00:39:00] I've known Ariel

[00:39:01] since before he was

[00:39:02] like even Ariel Pink

[00:39:03] really,

[00:39:04] you know what I mean?

[00:39:05] Like,

[00:39:05] I just kind of,

[00:39:07] I've known

[00:39:09] about Ariel

[00:39:10] and known him

[00:39:11] since he was like

[00:39:12] touring around

[00:39:13] in a hatchback Honda

[00:39:14] like hawking tapes,

[00:39:16] you know,

[00:39:16] before people

[00:39:18] kind of like

[00:39:18] knew what was going

[00:39:19] on with him.

[00:39:20] So yeah,

[00:39:21] I've just,

[00:39:22] you know,

[00:39:22] he's been in the music

[00:39:23] scene in LA forever,

[00:39:25] you know?

[00:39:26] He seemed perfect

[00:39:27] for the role.

[00:39:28] That was like

[00:39:28] the main thing.

[00:39:29] It was like,

[00:39:29] who are we going

[00:39:30] to get to play

[00:39:30] like a dejected

[00:39:32] band member

[00:39:34] who's psychotic

[00:39:35] and on drugs?

[00:39:36] It's like,

[00:39:37] dude,

[00:39:37] Ariel can murder this.

[00:39:39] I don't know.

[00:39:39] I'm like still,

[00:39:40] part of me here

[00:39:40] is just kind of like

[00:39:41] sitting here thinking

[00:39:42] like if I told

[00:39:43] 15 year old me

[00:39:44] that one day

[00:39:44] I would have

[00:39:45] Travis Keller

[00:39:45] and Joe from

[00:39:47] Icarus Line

[00:39:47] on my podcast,

[00:39:49] I'd be like,

[00:39:49] huh?

[00:39:50] What's a podcast?

[00:39:51] What's a podcast?

[00:39:52] Second of all,

[00:39:52] that sounds kind of tight.

[00:39:53] What do you guys feel

[00:39:55] is kind of

[00:39:56] the lasting legacy

[00:39:57] of Buddyhead?

[00:39:59] I know it's kind of

[00:39:59] still a thing

[00:40:01] in a way today,

[00:40:02] but it's heyday

[00:40:04] was, you know,

[00:40:06] a minute ago.

[00:40:07] But why do you think

[00:40:08] people still care

[00:40:09] about Buddyhead?

[00:40:10] Why do people

[00:40:10] still talk about it?

[00:40:11] Why do people

[00:40:12] like me and Jason

[00:40:13] want to do

[00:40:14] a whole entire episode

[00:40:15] about the best

[00:40:16] and worst lists

[00:40:17] that you guys

[00:40:17] used to do every year?

[00:40:19] What do you think

[00:40:20] that is?

[00:40:20] I think it's all

[00:40:21] kind of like leading

[00:40:22] up to this movie

[00:40:23] to be honest.

[00:40:24] Like, I think

[00:40:24] everything else

[00:40:26] is kind of like

[00:40:27] practice for this,

[00:40:28] if that makes sense.

[00:40:29] Like, I think

[00:40:29] the real money shot

[00:40:30] is going to be

[00:40:31] the story

[00:40:31] that we're about

[00:40:32] to tell with this movie.

[00:40:33] What a lot of people

[00:40:34] remember

[00:40:35] is the gossip page

[00:40:37] and anything

[00:40:38] that's like

[00:40:38] kind of like sensational,

[00:40:40] like putting phone numbers

[00:40:41] up and stuff like that,

[00:40:43] which, you know,

[00:40:44] was definitely

[00:40:45] a part of it.

[00:40:45] But there was also

[00:40:47] like a lot of other stuff

[00:40:48] like interviews

[00:40:48] and where we actually

[00:40:50] like took it serious,

[00:40:52] you know?

[00:40:53] I remember

[00:40:54] liking the music reviews

[00:40:55] quite a bit.

[00:40:57] Even, I mean,

[00:40:58] those could be very funny

[00:40:59] and very sharp.

[00:41:00] But I was like,

[00:41:01] even if it was a band

[00:41:03] that I had liked

[00:41:03] at the time,

[00:41:04] like the International

[00:41:05] Noise Conspiracy,

[00:41:07] I was like,

[00:41:08] you guys would kind of

[00:41:08] give them some shit.

[00:41:09] And I'm like,

[00:41:10] yeah, if you're going

[00:41:11] to give that band

[00:41:11] some shit,

[00:41:12] like you might as well

[00:41:13] say like,

[00:41:13] I don't believe you guys

[00:41:14] are really communist

[00:41:15] if you don't let me

[00:41:15] leave the show

[00:41:16] with a table

[00:41:17] or whatever it was.

[00:41:18] And do you remember

[00:41:20] like some of the

[00:41:21] more serious stuff?

[00:41:21] I remember you doing,

[00:41:22] I believe it was Travis

[00:41:24] that did an interview

[00:41:25] with King Kong

[00:41:27] at a festival

[00:41:28] that I always remember

[00:41:29] like,

[00:41:29] oh, that was really fun.

[00:41:30] That wasn't me.

[00:41:31] That was a...

[00:41:32] Is that Meathead?

[00:41:33] No,

[00:41:33] it was just some contributor.

[00:41:34] I actually forget

[00:41:35] who did that.

[00:41:36] Okay.

[00:41:37] But yeah,

[00:41:38] that wasn't me though.

[00:41:39] Okay.

[00:41:39] But that was a good interview.

[00:41:40] It was a good interview

[00:41:40] and like that stuff

[00:41:41] was neat.

[00:41:42] And like for me,

[00:41:44] like someone who was

[00:41:45] really inspired,

[00:41:46] like I did music writing.

[00:41:48] I did music.

[00:41:49] I still do a little bit

[00:41:49] of music photography.

[00:41:51] Like that was like

[00:41:52] a thing that maybe like,

[00:41:53] oh, there's like stuff

[00:41:54] you can do

[00:41:54] and you don't have

[00:41:55] to be stuffy

[00:41:57] and you don't have

[00:41:58] to kiss ass

[00:42:00] all the time.

[00:42:01] Like you can just go out

[00:42:02] and you can write stuff

[00:42:03] and you can do stuff

[00:42:03] and you can be weird

[00:42:04] and interesting

[00:42:05] and you can be

[00:42:06] a little cynical

[00:42:07] because if you're coming

[00:42:08] from like a place

[00:42:09] of like of genuine

[00:42:11] like affection,

[00:42:12] for something

[00:42:13] because and you're

[00:42:14] only being like

[00:42:14] maybe a little negative

[00:42:15] or cynical

[00:42:15] because like you want

[00:42:16] there to be better stuff

[00:42:17] or you want someone

[00:42:18] to like,

[00:42:18] hey, I don't think

[00:42:19] you're really putting

[00:42:19] your whole ass

[00:42:20] into this music.

[00:42:21] It'd be really cool

[00:42:21] if you gave a shit

[00:42:23] or you weren't

[00:42:24] trying to like chase a trend

[00:42:25] like do what you

[00:42:26] really want to do

[00:42:27] because I think

[00:42:27] that would be interesting.

[00:42:28] You trying to sound like,

[00:42:30] I don't know,

[00:42:31] Burning Brides

[00:42:32] or I don't know,

[00:42:34] some band

[00:42:34] that's from 20 years ago.

[00:42:36] Like that stuff

[00:42:37] I always thought

[00:42:38] was really interesting.

[00:42:39] I think it gave

[00:42:40] an alternative

[00:42:42] to what was out there

[00:42:43] and you guys

[00:42:45] were also kind of

[00:42:46] into like the second

[00:42:47] to last like big hurrah

[00:42:49] of the music industry.

[00:42:52] I felt like

[00:42:53] the mid aughts

[00:42:54] was kind of like

[00:42:55] the last time

[00:42:55] there was like a,

[00:42:56] it felt like there was

[00:42:57] like a party for music.

[00:42:58] Like there was shit

[00:42:59] in motion

[00:43:00] and then the last,

[00:43:02] the last time was,

[00:43:03] you know,

[00:43:04] 10 or so years ago.

[00:43:05] Like the last time

[00:43:05] it felt like there was

[00:43:06] a little bit of money

[00:43:06] that people were willing

[00:43:07] to take chances

[00:43:08] to put money behind

[00:43:10] the weird band

[00:43:11] or a weird idea

[00:43:12] or an interesting tour

[00:43:13] and now like

[00:43:15] it's,

[00:43:15] it's a fucking struggle.

[00:43:17] There's just not

[00:43:18] this sort of like,

[00:43:20] uh,

[00:43:20] there's not a sort of

[00:43:21] economy in that industry

[00:43:23] to like really support

[00:43:25] that these days.

[00:43:27] Not in the same way anyways.

[00:43:28] You know,

[00:43:29] it's,

[00:43:29] it's everything

[00:43:30] kind of,

[00:43:31] uh,

[00:43:32] you know,

[00:43:32] the whole thing

[00:43:33] got gutted

[00:43:34] by streaming

[00:43:34] whether people want to,

[00:43:36] you know,

[00:43:36] I think people are like

[00:43:37] finally coming around

[00:43:38] to the,

[00:43:39] to acknowledge

[00:43:40] that that's what happened,

[00:43:41] you know,

[00:43:42] but,

[00:43:42] uh,

[00:43:43] you know,

[00:43:44] when,

[00:43:44] when you're in a,

[00:43:46] in a business

[00:43:47] and like the product

[00:43:48] disappears

[00:43:49] and you're supposed to,

[00:43:52] you know,

[00:43:52] become the product

[00:43:53] by touring

[00:43:54] or anything

[00:43:55] but the product

[00:43:56] is supposed to be

[00:43:57] the product.

[00:43:58] You're like,

[00:43:58] oh,

[00:43:59] check out our

[00:44:00] fucking

[00:44:00] band branded

[00:44:02] candle holder.

[00:44:04] Did the,

[00:44:05] uh,

[00:44:05] did the,

[00:44:05] a mannequin pussy

[00:44:06] weed grinder?

[00:44:08] You know what I mean?

[00:44:09] You're like this

[00:44:09] piece,

[00:44:10] good salesman

[00:44:11] asshole

[00:44:12] all of a sudden,

[00:44:13] you know what I mean?

[00:44:13] Which is like

[00:44:14] for a lot of people

[00:44:15] that's not really

[00:44:16] why we got into it

[00:44:17] and honestly

[00:44:18] it attracts

[00:44:19] a certain type

[00:44:20] of person

[00:44:21] at that point,

[00:44:22] right?

[00:44:22] Because

[00:44:23] maybe their goal

[00:44:24] is to kind of,

[00:44:25] you know,

[00:44:27] use music

[00:44:28] as a sort of

[00:44:29] like shoehorn

[00:44:30] for success

[00:44:32] in other areas,

[00:44:33] you know what I mean?

[00:44:34] But,

[00:44:34] uh,

[00:44:35] for those of us

[00:44:36] that it kind of

[00:44:37] was like a calling

[00:44:38] to save our,

[00:44:38] our life

[00:44:40] or something

[00:44:40] that like kind of

[00:44:41] maybe connected us

[00:44:43] to humanity

[00:44:44] at large

[00:44:44] when we maybe

[00:44:45] had problems

[00:44:46] doing that

[00:44:46] in the first place.

[00:44:48] Uh,

[00:44:48] I think it became

[00:44:49] hard for a lot

[00:44:50] of those type

[00:44:50] of artists

[00:44:51] and,

[00:44:52] uh,

[00:44:53] yeah,

[00:44:53] that's probably

[00:44:53] why you don't

[00:44:54] see as much

[00:44:55] of that happening

[00:44:56] at least

[00:44:57] on a like

[00:44:58] above subterranean

[00:44:59] level.

[00:45:00] The musician

[00:45:02] hawking their own

[00:45:03] wares is,

[00:45:04] it's fucking tragic.

[00:45:06] I gotta be honest,

[00:45:06] unless it's a t-shirt,

[00:45:08] you know what I mean?

[00:45:09] Yeah.

[00:45:10] Even then,

[00:45:11] like,

[00:45:11] man,

[00:45:12] like,

[00:45:12] a little bit of mystique

[00:45:13] goes a long way

[00:45:15] with,

[00:45:15] uh,

[00:45:16] with an artist

[00:45:17] for me as a fan,

[00:45:18] you know what I mean?

[00:45:19] Like,

[00:45:19] I don't know shit

[00:45:20] about what Scott Walker

[00:45:22] was doing on the weekend

[00:45:23] and I don't want to

[00:45:24] fucking know,

[00:45:25] dude.

[00:45:25] He's just some dude

[00:45:27] under a baseball hat

[00:45:28] that like sings,

[00:45:30] like has crazy ideas

[00:45:31] and that's,

[00:45:32] that's enough.

[00:45:33] I think it should be

[00:45:34] enough for anybody

[00:45:34] but sadly,

[00:45:35] that's just not

[00:45:36] the business anymore.

[00:45:38] Yeah,

[00:45:38] yeah,

[00:45:38] yeah,

[00:45:38] there's like a

[00:45:39] certain competition

[00:45:40] for,

[00:45:41] uh,

[00:45:42] you know,

[00:45:43] views or like

[00:45:44] for people's like,

[00:45:45] you know,

[00:45:46] uh,

[00:45:47] space,

[00:45:47] you know,

[00:45:48] you're trying to get

[00:45:49] attention so that

[00:45:50] you can like,

[00:45:51] you know,

[00:45:52] grift some cash.

[00:45:53] I think,

[00:45:54] uh,

[00:45:54] Jory Greep,

[00:45:55] uh,

[00:45:56] formerly of Black Midi,

[00:45:58] I saw an interview

[00:45:59] with him where,

[00:46:00] or read an interview

[00:46:01] where he said

[00:46:02] something along the lines

[00:46:02] of like,

[00:46:03] part of like his

[00:46:04] sense of alienation

[00:46:05] with being a,

[00:46:06] a working musician

[00:46:07] is that everything

[00:46:09] you do,

[00:46:09] you feel like you're

[00:46:10] a tiny little corporation,

[00:46:11] everything has to be

[00:46:12] so filtered

[00:46:13] and it has to be

[00:46:15] not really about the art,

[00:46:17] it's about

[00:46:17] making money.

[00:46:19] For sure.

[00:46:20] And making money

[00:46:20] used to be that thing

[00:46:21] that you did

[00:46:22] so you could keep

[00:46:23] doing the art

[00:46:24] but now,

[00:46:25] no,

[00:46:25] it's just,

[00:46:25] it's just making money now.

[00:46:27] When you,

[00:46:27] when you have to be

[00:46:28] a little corporation

[00:46:29] like that,

[00:46:30] then you're sort of

[00:46:31] like,

[00:46:31] uh,

[00:46:32] curtailing

[00:46:33] what you do

[00:46:34] to make sure

[00:46:35] that like the community

[00:46:37] doesn't cut you off,

[00:46:39] you know,

[00:46:39] because you're dependent

[00:46:40] on it for survival.

[00:46:41] It's,

[00:46:42] yeah,

[00:46:42] it's definitely not

[00:46:43] in my,

[00:46:44] from my perspective,

[00:46:45] an ideal way

[00:46:46] or an ideal atmosphere

[00:46:48] for art to,

[00:46:49] uh,

[00:46:50] be made,

[00:46:51] you know,

[00:46:51] cause it's like,

[00:46:52] yeah,

[00:46:52] we're not gonna have,

[00:46:53] uh,

[00:46:53] Sid Barrett today,

[00:46:54] you know what I mean?

[00:46:55] Yeah.

[00:46:56] And he's on TikTok

[00:46:57] getting 120 views.

[00:46:59] Right.

[00:47:00] Yeah.

[00:47:01] Pretty much,

[00:47:02] dude.

[00:47:02] I'm sure he's on there.

[00:47:03] Yeah,

[00:47:03] exactly.

[00:47:04] You know,

[00:47:05] it's a weird one.

[00:47:06] Well,

[00:47:07] today's Sid Barrett's

[00:47:07] probably like an influencer

[00:47:08] now doing street pranks

[00:47:11] or something.

[00:47:12] Hey guys!

[00:47:13] Let's hope.

[00:47:16] Yeah,

[00:47:16] it's,

[00:47:17] it feels a little dire

[00:47:18] and like,

[00:47:18] something,

[00:47:19] something will fucking

[00:47:20] click or change

[00:47:21] at some point,

[00:47:22] but like,

[00:47:23] uh,

[00:47:23] you know,

[00:47:24] it has to affect

[00:47:24] the consumer,

[00:47:26] you know,

[00:47:26] for anything to really happen.

[00:47:29] So,

[00:47:29] uh,

[00:47:30] tickets are fucking expensive,

[00:47:31] but yeah.

[00:47:32] Yeah.

[00:47:33] We're waiting on that.

[00:47:34] You know,

[00:47:34] it's like,

[00:47:34] yeah,

[00:47:35] you want to go pay a thousand bucks

[00:47:36] to go to a fucking concert?

[00:47:37] You know,

[00:47:38] like,

[00:47:38] I don't know.

[00:47:39] It's just,

[00:47:39] yeah,

[00:47:40] it's a weird,

[00:47:40] it's a weird time for,

[00:47:42] for all of it.

[00:47:43] And like,

[00:47:43] I think I,

[00:47:44] for the last 15 years,

[00:47:45] I keep hearing industry people

[00:47:48] or people saying that they like

[00:47:49] have the new business model

[00:47:51] and like,

[00:47:51] none of them are fucking stuck,

[00:47:53] man.

[00:47:54] There's no fucking business model.

[00:47:56] It's a fucking,

[00:47:57] you know,

[00:47:57] it's just some fucking Mad Max

[00:47:59] out there at this point,

[00:48:00] you know?

[00:48:01] And it really kind of like

[00:48:02] the corporate artists

[00:48:03] are taking the market share

[00:48:05] more and more.

[00:48:06] And then there's like,

[00:48:07] uh,

[00:48:08] you know,

[00:48:08] everybody else

[00:48:09] and some faring a little

[00:48:11] better than others,

[00:48:12] but mostly not doing that great

[00:48:14] from,

[00:48:15] from like my vantage point,

[00:48:17] I'm not seeing a ton of people

[00:48:19] doing great,

[00:48:19] even like artists that like

[00:48:20] fucking tour all the time.

[00:48:22] It's like,

[00:48:23] yeah,

[00:48:23] it doesn't look good,

[00:48:25] man.

[00:48:25] So at some point,

[00:48:27] hopefully it hits the consumer

[00:48:29] in a way that they,

[00:48:31] you know,

[00:48:32] cause that's,

[00:48:32] it's,

[00:48:32] it's never going to come

[00:48:34] from big artists.

[00:48:35] You know what I mean?

[00:48:36] They're,

[00:48:36] they're totally profiting off of,

[00:48:38] uh,

[00:48:39] the,

[00:48:40] you know,

[00:48:40] the market just shrinking

[00:48:41] into their favor.

[00:48:43] So like,

[00:48:43] it's never going to come from them

[00:48:45] just like,

[00:48:45] it's a microcosm of everything.

[00:48:47] You know what I mean?

[00:48:47] That's like how the world works.

[00:48:49] So it's like until the consumer

[00:48:50] demands change for some

[00:48:52] fucking reason,

[00:48:53] why would they,

[00:48:54] they get the fucking milk for free,

[00:48:56] but like until they fucking demand it

[00:48:58] until it affects them,

[00:49:00] uh,

[00:49:00] it's just going to be like this

[00:49:02] dystopian soup of like

[00:49:05] 3000,

[00:49:06] uh,

[00:49:07] uploads a second of like,

[00:49:09] whatever the fuck.

[00:49:10] Yeah.

[00:49:11] AI music.

[00:49:11] Like how's that for Christmas cheer boys?

[00:49:14] I know.

[00:49:15] I mean,

[00:49:16] you're not wrong.

[00:49:17] Like I'm,

[00:49:18] I'm involved with a couple venues

[00:49:19] here in St.

[00:49:20] Louis and I have conversations

[00:49:22] with the promoter there

[00:49:23] who is a very,

[00:49:25] like,

[00:49:25] I like to think of pretty fair hearted person

[00:49:27] and we'll eat shit on,

[00:49:30] on,

[00:49:31] on a band that he thinks deserves

[00:49:33] to have an opportunity in St.

[00:49:35] Louis.

[00:49:35] And he'll even say like,

[00:49:37] yeah,

[00:49:37] we didn't make as much.

[00:49:38] We didn't make the margin we want

[00:49:39] on that show.

[00:49:40] The bar ring was okay.

[00:49:42] But he's like,

[00:49:43] I don't even know,

[00:49:44] like even then,

[00:49:45] if what we paid the band,

[00:49:48] which was a good amount of money

[00:49:50] was sustainable for them.

[00:49:53] Yeah.

[00:49:53] And that sucks when you're paying

[00:49:54] someone five figures

[00:49:56] that would have been like

[00:49:57] four or five years ago,

[00:49:59] a fucking sweet amount of money

[00:50:00] for that band.

[00:50:01] And now you're like,

[00:50:03] well,

[00:50:03] we paid them good money,

[00:50:04] but we don't know what their margins are.

[00:50:06] And that sucks.

[00:50:07] And you,

[00:50:07] you kind of see that part of the ecosystem

[00:50:10] now starting to collapse.

[00:50:12] Like there's really,

[00:50:13] it feels like there's only space

[00:50:14] for bands that

[00:50:17] can play

[00:50:18] like 500 cap rooms

[00:50:20] and bands that can do stadiums.

[00:50:22] And there's a little bit of space in between.

[00:50:25] The space in between

[00:50:26] is for people with trust funds.

[00:50:28] It's like,

[00:50:29] yeah,

[00:50:29] art is becoming a daycare

[00:50:31] for the rich children.

[00:50:32] You know what I mean?

[00:50:33] And then like,

[00:50:34] it's like a fucking struggle

[00:50:36] for the rest.

[00:50:37] When I was doing music photography,

[00:50:39] I was like working at minimum wage job.

[00:50:41] I was working at Whole Foods,

[00:50:42] like washing fucking dishes.

[00:50:44] And how many people

[00:50:45] that just assumed

[00:50:47] because I was doing

[00:50:47] what I was doing

[00:50:48] or I was trying to make

[00:50:49] something out of that,

[00:50:51] like thought I was like a rich kid.

[00:50:53] And it's like,

[00:50:53] yo,

[00:50:53] I grew up like right outside Ferguson.

[00:50:55] Like the house next to where my dad lived

[00:50:58] in Ferguson,

[00:50:58] like is burned out.

[00:51:00] There's a burned out house

[00:51:01] on like my grandparents street

[00:51:03] in Spanish Lake,

[00:51:04] which is a famous white flight community

[00:51:06] here in St. Louis.

[00:51:07] Like,

[00:51:08] yo,

[00:51:08] I'm not a rich kid.

[00:51:09] And then like,

[00:51:09] you find out like the person

[00:51:10] that's looking down at you,

[00:51:11] like,

[00:51:11] you know,

[00:51:12] they went to a private school

[00:51:13] and like had trust fund.

[00:51:15] And it's like,

[00:51:15] you assholes.

[00:51:16] It's a wild world out there,

[00:51:17] dude.

[00:51:17] I can only imagine

[00:51:18] how it is out there in LA.

[00:51:20] I mean,

[00:51:20] the last time I was out there,

[00:51:22] I was covering

[00:51:24] Burgerama

[00:51:26] for the now

[00:51:27] widely and rightfully disliked

[00:51:29] label,

[00:51:30] Burger Records.

[00:51:32] And the thing that I always liked

[00:51:34] being in music

[00:51:35] and messing around

[00:51:37] with touring musicians,

[00:51:37] I always found that people from LA

[00:51:39] were very sweet.

[00:51:40] And I found people from New York,

[00:51:41] bands from New York

[00:51:42] were always very pretentious.

[00:51:44] And it was always like,

[00:51:45] people from LA would like,

[00:51:46] listen to you.

[00:51:47] Like,

[00:51:47] Hey,

[00:51:48] yeah,

[00:51:48] you don't want to go to the city museum

[00:51:49] after the show

[00:51:50] because someone's going to steal your shit.

[00:51:52] And like,

[00:51:52] Oh,

[00:51:52] okay,

[00:51:53] thank you.

[00:51:53] But a New York band

[00:51:54] would be like,

[00:51:55] Oh no,

[00:51:55] like we're from New York.

[00:51:56] Like you guys are hillbillies.

[00:51:58] We'll do whatever.

[00:51:58] And then two days later,

[00:52:00] they're on,

[00:52:00] uh,

[00:52:01] you know,

[00:52:01] doing a GoFundMe

[00:52:02] because their van got broken into

[00:52:03] all their shit was stolen

[00:52:04] because they went to the city museum.

[00:52:05] We told you,

[00:52:06] we told you,

[00:52:08] we told you so many times,

[00:52:10] but like going out in LA

[00:52:11] and like talking to people

[00:52:13] and like hanging out,

[00:52:14] like,

[00:52:14] I think we went to hang out

[00:52:15] with some people

[00:52:15] like lollipop records

[00:52:16] and all that.

[00:52:17] And like,

[00:52:18] you know,

[00:52:18] like around the Echo Park

[00:52:19] and like how many people

[00:52:21] like they found out

[00:52:22] we were from the Midwest.

[00:52:23] We're just like,

[00:52:23] Oh,

[00:52:23] that's so cool.

[00:52:25] That's so neat.

[00:52:26] Where are you,

[00:52:26] what are you guys here for?

[00:52:27] And I'm like,

[00:52:28] Oh,

[00:52:28] everyone out here is so nice.

[00:52:29] I wonder if it's because they think

[00:52:30] like that we're either going to sell them drugs

[00:52:32] or buy drugs off of them.

[00:52:33] And that is true.

[00:52:34] We did buy drugs off of them.

[00:52:36] You know,

[00:52:37] I guess there's a reputation

[00:52:38] of people from LA being

[00:52:40] a little bit,

[00:52:41] uh,

[00:52:42] mercenary,

[00:52:42] but I have found that my,

[00:52:43] my week or so out there was like,

[00:52:45] well,

[00:52:45] a bunch of nice people.

[00:52:47] Yeah.

[00:52:48] We're not nice.

[00:52:49] You know,

[00:52:49] you know why?

[00:52:50] Why is that?

[00:52:51] Cause they're Midwest too,

[00:52:52] bro.

[00:52:53] Oh,

[00:52:53] I figured,

[00:52:53] I figured,

[00:52:54] I mean,

[00:52:54] yeah,

[00:52:55] probably transplants.

[00:52:55] That makes sense.

[00:52:56] Yeah.

[00:52:59] Cause I know a lot of folks from,

[00:53:00] from my high school did,

[00:53:01] did wind up on the coast.

[00:53:03] So it kind of makes sense.

[00:53:04] Yeah.

[00:53:05] Yeah.

[00:53:05] Nobody hears from here anyways,

[00:53:08] but like,

[00:53:09] I think,

[00:53:10] uh,

[00:53:10] I think,

[00:53:12] parkers,

[00:53:12] maybe like,

[00:53:13] uh,

[00:53:14] they like to wear it as a badge of honor a little bit more.

[00:53:17] There's like LA is like a little,

[00:53:19] maybe a little quieter about,

[00:53:21] you know,

[00:53:21] where everyone's stoned here too.

[00:53:23] Yeah.

[00:53:23] Yeah.

[00:53:24] That helps.

[00:53:24] And the weather helps.

[00:53:26] You don't get that cranky when it's warm all the time.

[00:53:28] Oh,

[00:53:28] the weather is beautiful.

[00:53:29] Smell a little too much like pee,

[00:53:30] but St.

[00:53:30] Louis also sometimes smells a little too much like pee,

[00:53:33] but for sure.

[00:53:34] I was going to say,

[00:53:34] have you been downtown?

[00:53:38] Yeah.

[00:53:39] I was like,

[00:53:39] I was like,

[00:53:40] Hmm.

[00:53:40] Hmm.

[00:53:40] The heat's bringing that out of the concrete today.

[00:53:43] Yeah.

[00:53:43] Okay.

[00:53:44] Well,

[00:53:44] Oh,

[00:53:44] whatever.

[00:53:45] Like I just,

[00:53:45] I just went to Okie Dog and whatever.

[00:53:48] I'm fucking chill.

[00:53:49] Went to fucking Amoeba,

[00:53:51] you know,

[00:53:51] did all the touristy cool kid shit.

[00:53:54] Yeah.

[00:53:54] It's just a,

[00:53:55] it's a weird place where music is at.

[00:53:58] And that ecosystem I write for,

[00:54:01] and do some photography for local website here called the arts STL.

[00:54:06] It's all people that if there was still an ecosystem would probably be doing paid work,

[00:54:10] but we just do it because we love it.

[00:54:12] And like,

[00:54:12] no one makes any money.

[00:54:13] Like the guy who runs it is a guy who's been doing indie media in St.

[00:54:17] Louis for like 20 years.

[00:54:18] And like,

[00:54:18] it's just a passion project for everyone.

[00:54:20] And I kind of miss when I could at least get some beer money out of it.

[00:54:24] Oh yeah.

[00:54:24] Yeah.

[00:54:25] Speaking of buddy head is back websites online.

[00:54:28] I know you got a zine.

[00:54:30] I know you got a Patreon.

[00:54:31] Yeah.

[00:54:32] I'm going to start putting content up like this,

[00:54:33] probably this weekend on buddy head.

[00:54:35] It's been like a,

[00:54:36] I had some people in my discord kind of build the site from scratch.

[00:54:39] So it's been like a,

[00:54:41] a work in progress.

[00:54:42] That's sick.

[00:54:43] You know,

[00:54:43] finding out different things aren't working yet and just kind of having to fine tune

[00:54:47] things.

[00:54:47] So they all work how we want it to work,

[00:54:49] but it's kind of at the point now where I'm able to put up some content.

[00:54:53] I put up some news.

[00:54:54] It's just like kind of what's happening at Los Angeles,

[00:54:56] our venue at this point.

[00:54:58] But there will be a letter from the editor.

[00:55:01] That's me this weekend,

[00:55:03] probably just kind of like giving everyone kind of an update on all the shit we

[00:55:08] got going on.

[00:55:09] Cause,

[00:55:09] cause it is a lot,

[00:55:10] you know,

[00:55:10] it's like,

[00:55:10] we got a venue,

[00:55:11] American primitive,

[00:55:12] the movie stuff on the site and kind of just call for people if they want to,

[00:55:17] you know,

[00:55:18] volunteer their writing,

[00:55:20] if they think they got what it takes to,

[00:55:22] to,

[00:55:23] to write for buddy head or be a designer or anything that,

[00:55:26] uh,

[00:55:27] uh,

[00:55:27] we're not paying anyone,

[00:55:28] but they can get hired.

[00:55:30] So,

[00:55:30] uh,

[00:55:31] we're not paying anyone,

[00:55:32] but we are paying in cloud.

[00:55:34] Yeah.

[00:55:34] Yeah.

[00:55:34] You can earn cloud.

[00:55:35] I love cloud.

[00:55:37] We have so much credit and it doesn't buy anything.

[00:55:40] So we're going to start dishing it out.

[00:55:41] Yeah.

[00:55:42] They can go.

[00:55:43] They can go spend it at high school or whatever.

[00:55:47] I will warp tours coming back.

[00:55:49] Maybe they can use it.

[00:55:50] Yeah.

[00:55:51] You'll be able to cash it in a warp tour.

[00:55:54] All our cred.

[00:55:55] Cool.

[00:55:55] I can,

[00:55:56] uh,

[00:55:56] for all this credit,

[00:55:57] I can get one,

[00:55:58] uh,

[00:55:58] to write love on her arm,

[00:55:59] uh,

[00:56:00] wristband sick.

[00:56:01] There you go.

[00:56:01] Yeah.

[00:56:02] I think,

[00:56:02] I think,

[00:56:02] I think it's time now.

[00:56:04] A few years ago,

[00:56:04] people asked me about doing buddy head and I didn't,

[00:56:07] I didn't really think people were like wanting to go to websites,

[00:56:10] you know,

[00:56:11] except to like buy shit basically.

[00:56:12] But I do feel like people are tired of the corporate apps and I feel like

[00:56:17] there's a lack of independent voices in pretty much everything I'm interested

[00:56:22] in,

[00:56:22] which is like music,

[00:56:23] art,

[00:56:24] film,

[00:56:25] politics,

[00:56:26] you know,

[00:56:26] it's like,

[00:56:26] there's just a lack of independent voices.

[00:56:29] And even in independent voices,

[00:56:31] there's not a lot of them saying what I want to hear.

[00:56:33] I mean,

[00:56:34] the goal is to once again,

[00:56:36] kind of create like a hub that's like,

[00:56:38] kind of,

[00:56:38] you know,

[00:56:39] shines light on things that we think deserve more attention and kind of is like a

[00:56:43] hub for,

[00:56:44] uh,

[00:56:45] various different voices.

[00:56:46] And,

[00:56:47] you know,

[00:56:48] kind of what it's always been is it's like us and our,

[00:56:50] and our homies.

[00:56:50] No,

[00:56:51] I'd love to see it.

[00:56:52] I'd love to see websites kind of reclaiming the mantle of places to go for

[00:56:57] stuff.

[00:56:57] Cause like you mentioned,

[00:56:59] people just want to go to Twitter or people want to go to whatever siloed social

[00:57:03] media site for websites.

[00:57:05] Yeah.

[00:57:07] And going to a specific site for a specific thing in particular,

[00:57:10] like here,

[00:57:11] like buddy head,

[00:57:12] you know,

[00:57:12] you want to go,

[00:57:13] you want to see what Travis says or what,

[00:57:15] you know,

[00:57:15] anybody else who's going to come in and write says,

[00:57:18] because the voices are,

[00:57:20] are the whole point.

[00:57:21] And that's the thing I've always appreciated about the site and about even going as far

[00:57:28] back as like when the site started,

[00:57:29] there was definitely a sense of there's a voice,

[00:57:32] you know,

[00:57:32] obviously it's not just one person,

[00:57:34] but there's kind of a,

[00:57:35] a house style,

[00:57:36] if you will.

[00:57:37] Yeah.

[00:57:37] Yeah.

[00:57:38] It was definitely like a collective voice,

[00:57:39] you know,

[00:57:40] and it's like drawn from like a lot of people,

[00:57:42] like one of the influences is our friend,

[00:57:44] Sean McCabe,

[00:57:45] who passed away,

[00:57:45] like right when buddy had started and he was like the singer of ink and dagger.

[00:57:49] And just his like presence in the way that he handled himself.

[00:57:53] We kind of like absorb that,

[00:57:55] you know,

[00:57:55] and it's like,

[00:57:55] it's a lot of things too.

[00:57:56] It's like the vibe of like sub pop records in the nineties,

[00:57:59] the world domination shit and touch and go.

[00:58:02] And,

[00:58:02] uh,

[00:58:03] you know,

[00:58:04] big brother magazine and Thrasher and,

[00:58:06] uh,

[00:58:06] you know,

[00:58:07] um,

[00:58:09] different zines that we grew up on.

[00:58:11] It's an,

[00:58:11] it's an amalgamation of just like everything that we kind of thought was cool growing up,

[00:58:16] you know?

[00:58:16] I clocked the Thrasher stuff too,

[00:58:18] it was like,

[00:58:19] okay,

[00:58:19] these guys are clearly coming from a skating background.

[00:58:22] These guys are clearly like they own all the bones brigade tapes.

[00:58:27] Yeah.

[00:58:28] Skating morning is like the thing that kind of connected me to everything.

[00:58:31] Like I grew up in like a culturally like devoid area of the United States called the Pacific Northwest.

[00:58:37] I grew up in Idaho,

[00:58:39] Washington state in the nineties.

[00:58:41] You'd have to drive like,

[00:58:42] you know,

[00:58:42] two,

[00:58:42] three hours to even hit like a record store or like,

[00:58:45] you know,

[00:58:45] do mail order,

[00:58:47] you know,

[00:58:47] just to get any kind of like culture.

[00:58:49] It was like,

[00:58:50] you know,

[00:58:50] a trek,

[00:58:51] you know?

[00:58:51] Uh,

[00:58:52] so skateboarding to me,

[00:58:53] it was like,

[00:58:53] it kind of connected me to like,

[00:58:55] uh,

[00:58:55] you know,

[00:58:56] filming and,

[00:58:57] uh,

[00:58:58] photography and music.

[00:58:59] Cause it was like every skateboard video had every genre imaginable on it would be like rap music into like Led Zeppelin into like punk rock into like jazz.

[00:59:07] So it was like,

[00:59:08] you know,

[00:59:08] this is before the internet.

[00:59:09] So to be able to hear like different genres was kind of a big thing for a kid at my age,

[00:59:14] you know,

[00:59:15] it exposed me to a lot and,

[00:59:16] uh,

[00:59:17] just kind of connected me to everything that like I ended up being into later in life.

[00:59:21] I mean,

[00:59:22] I can certainly say the same again,

[00:59:23] St.

[00:59:24] Louis,

[00:59:24] uh,

[00:59:24] not that different.

[00:59:25] I will say that.

[00:59:27] Oh yeah.

[00:59:28] Jeez.

[00:59:28] It was a final refused record.

[00:59:30] It felt like you got lucky and you had to get that at full price at hot topic too.

[00:59:35] So that was a whole mess.

[00:59:36] Yeah.

[00:59:36] Do you guys know this,

[00:59:37] uh,

[00:59:38] St.

[00:59:38] Louis bands,

[00:59:39] uh,

[00:59:39] the hibernauts,

[00:59:41] the Bobby dazzlers.

[00:59:43] Yeah.

[00:59:44] That's like my friend Jackie's bands.

[00:59:46] He was in those bands and,

[00:59:47] uh,

[00:59:48] he passed away.

[00:59:49] Like he,

[00:59:49] he died in a motorcycle accident,

[00:59:51] but he moved to LA like a couple of years ago and started this surf band.

[00:59:54] Called the cauterizers.

[00:59:56] And I put out like three EPs,

[00:59:58] I think,

[00:59:58] but I'm,

[00:59:59] we were just getting like this next week,

[01:00:01] we're getting their debut on a vinyl.

[01:00:03] I'm putting it out on buddy head.

[01:00:05] Yeah.

[01:00:05] I remember hearing about that.

[01:00:06] He's a,

[01:00:06] he's a St.

[01:00:07] Louis,

[01:00:08] uh,

[01:00:09] alumni.

[01:00:09] Yeah.

[01:00:09] He was always a sweetheart.

[01:00:11] I only met him a few times.

[01:00:12] I photographed the hibernauts,

[01:00:14] uh,

[01:00:14] a handful of times and they were super good.

[01:00:16] Always great guys to hang out with.

[01:00:19] Um,

[01:00:19] and when I heard that he passed,

[01:00:21] it took a second for like all the kind of resonate.

[01:00:23] I'm like,

[01:00:23] fuck,

[01:00:24] that's I didn't,

[01:00:25] I guess I had like lost touch with him for a minute.

[01:00:27] Yeah.

[01:00:28] Cause we weren't like super close.

[01:00:29] It's just like,

[01:00:29] Oh,

[01:00:29] I'd see him and be like,

[01:00:30] Hey,

[01:00:30] what's up?

[01:00:31] I photograph your band.

[01:00:32] Like,

[01:00:32] okay,

[01:00:32] cool.

[01:00:32] And talk a little,

[01:00:33] but always had good vibes.

[01:00:35] People were definitely distraught when they heard of his passing around here.

[01:00:39] Like,

[01:00:40] like I said,

[01:00:40] it took me a second for it to really hit.

[01:00:42] And I'm like,

[01:00:43] fuck man,

[01:00:43] that guy was tight.

[01:00:44] And he went out to LA.

[01:00:45] Yeah.

[01:00:45] He was doing cool shit.

[01:00:46] Like,

[01:00:47] man.

[01:00:47] All right.

[01:00:48] That's a bummer.

[01:00:49] What was an awful way for someone who had such good energy to leave this world?

[01:00:55] Yeah.

[01:00:55] Yeah.

[01:00:55] He was,

[01:00:56] he was one of the coolest.

[01:00:57] It's,

[01:00:57] it's a,

[01:00:57] it's a drag.

[01:00:58] Like,

[01:00:58] it feels cool though.

[01:01:00] Cause I promised him they finished recording their record like through three weeks before

[01:01:03] he passed.

[01:01:04] And we'd already started talking about it,

[01:01:06] picked the record cover.

[01:01:07] And you know,

[01:01:09] I told him we were going to put it out and it's,

[01:01:11] it's cool.

[01:01:11] Like a year and some change later to have it finally coming out.

[01:01:15] Hell yeah.

[01:01:16] Feels like we did something,

[01:01:17] you know?

[01:01:17] And it's a fucking great record too.

[01:01:19] You should check it out.

[01:01:19] It's called a bender ender by the cauterizers.

[01:01:22] It's on streaming and we'll have it for sale on the site by the end of the year.

[01:01:27] And also at our night market on December 21st.

[01:01:30] Boom.

[01:01:31] So the night market December 21st,

[01:01:33] where is that?

[01:01:33] That's at our space,

[01:01:34] Los Angeles.

[01:01:35] We do some different events every month.

[01:01:38] I do a night market,

[01:01:39] different DJs come.

[01:01:41] We have some like vinyl vendors,

[01:01:43] vintage clothing,

[01:01:44] a couple of tattoo artists,

[01:01:46] beer.

[01:01:47] And then we just like DJ records.

[01:01:49] It's kind of like a record store with beer.

[01:01:50] Sick.

[01:01:51] Yeah.

[01:01:51] It's pretty,

[01:01:51] it's pretty fun.

[01:01:52] And then we have like projections and stuff.

[01:01:54] And Joe does a once a month,

[01:01:56] midnight mass,

[01:01:58] which is a,

[01:01:59] I don't know.

[01:01:59] How would you,

[01:01:59] how do you describe it?

[01:02:00] It's like,

[01:02:02] it's a meeting of like me and four musicians,

[01:02:05] three or four musicians that have never played together.

[01:02:08] And we kind of do like a,

[01:02:10] an all improvised soundtrack over the evening,

[01:02:13] you know,

[01:02:14] with very little communication ahead of time and just kind of,

[01:02:17] everyone sets up shop in their respected corners.

[01:02:22] And we get,

[01:02:23] give people,

[01:02:23] you know,

[01:02:24] like an hour and a half of music without any percussion or map,

[01:02:30] you know?

[01:02:30] So we just go nuts.

[01:02:31] Damn.

[01:02:32] Yeah.

[01:02:32] Yeah.

[01:02:32] It's,

[01:02:33] it's been fun.

[01:02:33] It's been good.

[01:02:34] It's not for everyone,

[01:02:35] but for the people that it is for,

[01:02:38] you know,

[01:02:38] I think it's been a good experience,

[01:02:40] you know,

[01:02:40] it's like not unlike a meditation,

[01:02:42] but like a meditation that like pulverizes your cerebral cortex.

[01:02:47] You know,

[01:02:48] it's kind of like really heavy jazz.

[01:02:50] It's like,

[01:02:51] it's a,

[01:02:51] it's a deep meditation and he's got different musicians coming every month.

[01:02:56] Like snakes of Russia was on there.

[01:02:59] David Scott stone.

[01:03:00] He played with the locust Melvin's and LCD sound system.

[01:03:04] Who else did we have?

[01:03:05] It's coming up.

[01:03:06] Album leaf is coming up.

[01:03:08] Yeah.

[01:03:08] But yeah,

[01:03:09] just different people every month.

[01:03:10] So like had a couple of sacks players last time and it's,

[01:03:13] it's pretty fucking cool though.

[01:03:14] It's out there,

[01:03:15] but it's cool.

[01:03:16] Sounds like my exact jam.

[01:03:18] I'm going to be in Mexico,

[01:03:19] but yeah,

[01:03:20] damn.

[01:03:20] No,

[01:03:20] we should go out to LA and check that out.

[01:03:22] Every month.

[01:03:22] We do it every month.

[01:03:24] And now the moment you've all been waiting for shock.jpg.

[01:03:31] All right.

[01:03:32] So,

[01:03:32] um,

[01:03:33] you fellas want to see something gross?

[01:03:35] Maybe.

[01:03:36] Oh,

[01:03:36] okay.

[01:03:36] Here we go.

[01:03:37] Uh,

[01:03:37] go to an incognito window though.

[01:03:39] Cause you know,

[01:03:40] you never know.

[01:03:41] Whoa.

[01:03:45] That's right.

[01:03:45] Uh,

[01:03:45] I,

[01:03:46] I've,

[01:03:46] uh,

[01:03:46] started calling it.

[01:03:47] Is that a ear?

[01:03:48] I started calling this Goatsy 2.

[01:03:51] Uh,

[01:03:51] it is actually,

[01:03:52] what is that?

[01:03:53] That,

[01:03:53] that is the same performer from Goatsy,

[01:03:56] Kirk Johnson,

[01:03:56] but it is another gaping asshole picture.

[01:03:59] It's got no wall.

[01:04:02] It originally lived at stretch dot raging fist.

[01:04:07] Oh,

[01:04:08] he is the giver.

[01:04:09] Uh,

[01:04:10] God,

[01:04:11] that just looks like the worst pie you've ever seen.

[01:04:14] I hate deep dish pizza.

[01:04:18] Gross.

[01:04:19] You guys are gross.

[01:04:20] This interview is over.

[01:04:22] Right.

[01:04:22] Yeah.

[01:04:22] This interview is over,

[01:04:23] dude.

[01:04:24] You guys are gross.

[01:04:25] Uh,

[01:04:26] sorry.

[01:04:27] That's a,

[01:04:27] that's a part of the show we call shock dot JPEG.

[01:04:29] It's,

[01:04:30] it's just a,

[01:04:30] it's a bit of fun that we like to have.

[01:04:32] Rotten dot com,

[01:04:33] dude.

[01:04:34] Well,

[01:04:34] yeah,

[01:04:34] we did a whole episode of rotten.

[01:04:36] Yeah.

[01:04:36] We,

[01:04:36] we,

[01:04:36] we really,

[01:04:37] uh,

[01:04:38] we appreciate the finer things in life,

[01:04:39] I guess is what we're saying.

[01:04:41] Yeah,

[01:04:42] man.

[01:04:42] It's like,

[01:04:42] it's like going to the dentist.

[01:04:44] Yeah.

[01:04:45] Yeah.

[01:04:47] Yeah.

[01:04:47] So that one is actually the same performer from Goatsy.

[01:04:50] You know,

[01:04:50] the guy stretched,

[01:04:51] stretching his anus with the ring on and all that.

[01:04:53] That's the same performer.

[01:04:54] That's Kirk Johnson.

[01:04:56] And that was another from the same,

[01:04:57] uh,

[01:04:58] series.

[01:04:58] And my favorite part of course is the URL.

[01:05:01] It was stretch dot raging fist dot net.

[01:05:04] Fucking gross,

[01:05:06] dude.

[01:05:06] So what is your guys' experience with like shock sites?

[01:05:09] Did you guys ever get like tricked into opening tub girl or any of that shit?

[01:05:11] Every once in a while,

[01:05:13] uh,

[01:05:13] you'll get the fucking buff dude sitting on the edge of the bed with the big dick.

[01:05:18] There's that one.

[01:05:19] That people lemon party,

[01:05:21] lemon party.

[01:05:22] Oh,

[01:05:22] classic.

[01:05:22] Lemon party was a classic meat spin.

[01:05:25] Yeah,

[01:05:25] of course.

[01:05:25] I don't know.

[01:05:26] I never really got too deep into that stuff.

[01:05:28] I remember watching faces of death as a kid,

[01:05:30] but I didn't like it.

[01:05:31] Yeah.

[01:05:31] Faces of death was upsetting.

[01:05:34] Yeah.

[01:05:34] Everyone like five years older than me.

[01:05:36] That was like their shit,

[01:05:37] dude.

[01:05:37] And tricking people into seeing it.

[01:05:39] That was,

[01:05:40] I think the thing that a lot of people,

[01:05:41] people that were older than me at the time were like,

[01:05:44] Hey,

[01:05:44] Hey,

[01:05:45] check this out.

[01:05:45] And they'd put that on the,

[01:05:46] God damn it.

[01:05:47] Why are you doing this?

[01:05:48] Yeah.

[01:05:49] I hated it.

[01:05:49] Like the guy bungee jumping that doesn't take into account the 14th floor.

[01:05:52] And he just like hits the ground.

[01:05:55] Didn't count the floors.

[01:05:56] Right.

[01:05:56] With that Senator in Pennsylvania that blows his head off.

[01:05:59] Oh yeah.

[01:06:00] Press conference.

[01:06:00] Bud Dwyer.

[01:06:01] Yeah.

[01:06:01] Step back.

[01:06:02] This could hurt someone.

[01:06:03] There was a family video down the street from where I grew up.

[01:06:08] That was one of the last rental places that still had VHS.

[01:06:12] And they went probably like,

[01:06:14] I want to say 2007,

[01:06:15] 2008.

[01:06:16] Wow.

[01:06:16] Still had VHS.

[01:06:17] So me and my friend being weirdos would rent stuff from there.

[01:06:20] And we'd find like all the weird schlocky movies,

[01:06:22] like American,

[01:06:23] American Ninja two,

[01:06:24] the stuff,

[01:06:25] all of the classics,

[01:06:27] the classic bad movies from the eighties and nineties.

[01:06:29] But they had a couple of shock tapes and faces of death with one of them.

[01:06:34] And there was one called taboo Asia.

[01:06:37] Hmm.

[01:06:38] It had a segment on like,

[01:06:40] uh,

[01:06:41] this,

[01:06:41] this interesting sect of Christianity in like Malaysia or something where people

[01:06:47] like crucify themselves and like drag the,

[01:06:51] yeah.

[01:06:51] Like the Philippines.

[01:06:53] Yeah.

[01:06:53] It was pretty intense.

[01:06:54] Um,

[01:06:55] there was also like graph a graphic footage of someone having a,

[01:06:58] uh,

[01:06:59] sex change operations.

[01:07:00] Ooh.

[01:07:01] Yeah.

[01:07:02] Uh,

[01:07:02] it was,

[01:07:03] it was a great thing to be like watching like at 17.

[01:07:07] I kind of regret that,

[01:07:11] but we were,

[01:07:12] but we were like two dudes in the Midwest that were bored that listened to

[01:07:16] weird music and skateboard at all time and got harassed by weird dudes and

[01:07:20] pick up trucks for skateboarding.

[01:07:22] So being like transgressive and edgy just kind of felt like it came with the

[01:07:26] territory.

[01:07:28] It does.

[01:07:29] Well,

[01:07:29] yeah.

[01:07:29] Cause like Thrasher had the whole hall of meat section.

[01:07:32] Oh yeah.

[01:07:35] And all that bloody road rash stuff.

[01:07:37] I feel like skateboarding was a gateway to some of these shock sites and

[01:07:40] stuff like,

[01:07:41] Oh yeah,

[01:07:41] here's a guy getting hit by a train.

[01:07:43] Cool.

[01:07:44] Thanks.

[01:07:45] Extreme culture in general,

[01:07:46] when you're like a young and dejected,

[01:07:50] it's time for your mom's favorite part of the show.

[01:07:53] It's time for the breath mint.

[01:07:57] This is the part of the show that we call the breath mint.

[01:08:00] After we see something gross,

[01:08:01] we like to talk about something nice,

[01:08:03] something that we'd like,

[01:08:04] something that we've enjoyed.

[01:08:06] So since the both of you are our guests,

[01:08:09] why don't you guys start us off?

[01:08:11] Let's start with Joe.

[01:08:12] Joe was something caught your ear or your eyes this week.

[01:08:15] Yeah.

[01:08:16] Let's see this week.

[01:08:17] What's been holding me up.

[01:08:19] I mean,

[01:08:20] the same as everybody else on the planet,

[01:08:22] the new Kendrick records,

[01:08:23] fucking great.

[01:08:24] Especially if you're from Los Angeles,

[01:08:26] you know,

[01:08:27] it's like,

[01:08:27] as far as mainstream music goes,

[01:08:30] it doesn't get much better than that.

[01:08:32] You know,

[01:08:32] how many times a week do you find yourself yelling mustard at somebody?

[01:08:37] Yeah,

[01:08:37] I will say,

[01:08:38] check this out.

[01:08:39] So like,

[01:08:39] I don't have Spotify.

[01:08:41] I use Apple music,

[01:08:43] not for any real reasons,

[01:08:44] except for Spotify looks ugly to me.

[01:08:47] But it's the green color.

[01:08:48] Yeah.

[01:08:49] It's just ugly.

[01:08:49] It's like,

[01:08:50] this is gross.

[01:08:51] My like Apple,

[01:08:53] your wrap up or whatever the fuck they do the same stupid thing.

[01:08:57] Right.

[01:08:57] My most listened record this year is already.

[01:09:02] No way.

[01:09:03] Yeah.

[01:09:03] Over the whole year.

[01:09:05] Wow.

[01:09:05] Yeah.

[01:09:06] Yeah.

[01:09:06] Cause you just had it on random.

[01:09:08] Yeah.

[01:09:08] Yeah.

[01:09:09] And then there's that one spiritualized song.

[01:09:12] It's my most listened.

[01:09:14] Cause it was just the first song that comes on in my car.

[01:09:17] Cause alphabetically,

[01:09:17] it's like the first song.

[01:09:19] I fucking hate that song.

[01:09:20] Oh no.

[01:09:21] What song is it?

[01:09:22] The a song.

[01:09:24] It's called the,

[01:09:25] it's on one of their new records.

[01:09:27] And it's just the,

[01:09:28] you know,

[01:09:28] it's the first thing that pops on in the car for some fucked up reason.

[01:09:32] It's like some groundhog's day.

[01:09:35] Like.

[01:09:36] Yeah.

[01:09:38] Like,

[01:09:38] yeah.

[01:09:38] The a song it's called.

[01:09:40] It actually is called that.

[01:09:41] I deleted it off my phone,

[01:09:43] dude.

[01:09:43] I was like,

[01:09:44] this can't happen.

[01:09:44] It would just play every time we turn the car on.

[01:09:46] It was just like,

[01:09:46] Oh God.

[01:09:47] It's not even like a good spiritualized song either.

[01:09:50] It's truly seven minutes long.

[01:09:53] Yeah.

[01:09:53] Now it's a man by suicide.

[01:09:56] I'll take it.

[01:09:57] I'll take it.

[01:09:57] Yeah,

[01:09:58] absolutely.

[01:09:58] Travis,

[01:09:59] how about yourself?

[01:09:59] I also have been listening to the Kendrick record.

[01:10:02] I like the new Jamie X,

[01:10:04] X record a lot.

[01:10:05] Oh yeah.

[01:10:06] I think,

[01:10:06] I think it's great.

[01:10:07] I have tickets to go see him in January.

[01:10:09] I'm excited for that.

[01:10:10] And then I've been backtracking a little bit and I like the last playboy

[01:10:14] Cardi record a lot.

[01:10:15] Okay.

[01:10:15] And then speaking of spiritualized,

[01:10:17] I like the new thing that J Spaceman did.

[01:10:18] It's like a called music for William Eggleston stranded.

[01:10:23] Yeah.

[01:10:24] Okay.

[01:10:24] Okay.

[01:10:24] It's just kind of like,

[01:10:25] it's him and two other dudes just kind of like jamming and they're not

[01:10:29] really songs.

[01:10:29] It's kind of just like jams.

[01:10:31] They're like,

[01:10:32] it's pretty cool.

[01:10:33] Like Eggleston,

[01:10:34] you know,

[01:10:34] you know,

[01:10:34] you're a photographer,

[01:10:35] you know that.

[01:10:36] Yeah.

[01:10:36] Yeah.

[01:10:36] It's like some feels like one of the OG,

[01:10:38] like street photographers.

[01:10:40] So it's like some field recordings he did of some of the people he was

[01:10:43] hanging with.

[01:10:43] And,

[01:10:44] uh,

[01:10:44] they're like playing,

[01:10:45] they're like soundtracking it kind of in a loose way.

[01:10:47] It's cool though.

[01:10:48] It's a good,

[01:10:49] like put on and like work on shit type music.

[01:10:52] I'm going to check that out.

[01:10:53] That sounds like my jam.

[01:10:54] Yeah,

[01:10:55] you'll dig it.

[01:10:55] Yeah.

[01:10:56] That one's pretty cool.

[01:10:57] Awesome.

[01:10:58] And then I also like this artist,

[01:10:59] these artists from Detroit called high tech.

[01:11:01] It's another house music.

[01:11:03] Jamie XX,

[01:11:04] I think it's house music.

[01:11:05] And this is a,

[01:11:06] they call it ghetto house music.

[01:11:08] It's kind of like rap music,

[01:11:09] but really fast.

[01:11:10] And they're called high tech.

[01:11:11] Okay.

[01:11:12] Okay.

[01:11:12] Fuck.

[01:11:12] Yeah.

[01:11:13] All right.

[01:11:13] I'm going to give that a shot.

[01:11:14] Jason,

[01:11:15] what you got?

[01:11:15] Oh,

[01:11:16] well,

[01:11:16] you and I went to see census fail and saves the day.

[01:11:24] Oh boy.

[01:11:25] That was an experience.

[01:11:26] It was indeed here at the pageant in St.

[01:11:29] Louis,

[01:11:29] a nice,

[01:11:30] a decent room.

[01:11:31] What's the cap on that one?

[01:11:32] Like,

[01:11:32] it's like 2300 depending on,

[01:11:34] uh,

[01:11:34] depending on how young the crowd is a younger crowd.

[01:11:36] You can put more people in.

[01:11:38] If you,

[01:11:39] uh,

[01:11:39] if you got an older crowd,

[01:11:40] you get,

[01:11:41] it's a few less.

[01:11:42] Yeah.

[01:11:42] So it was a saves the day doing their 25th anniversary of the 1999 album through being cool,

[01:11:49] which was a formative record from my youth.

[01:11:51] So I was like,

[01:11:52] okay,

[01:11:52] I got to go see this.

[01:11:53] And what really shocked me was that the lead singer is the only guy left from the band.

[01:11:59] Like everyone else was like a ringer.

[01:12:02] Like from Chile.

[01:12:05] They sound great.

[01:12:07] If I were a fan of that band,

[01:12:09] I would have felt like I got my money's worth out of that performance.

[01:12:12] Oh,

[01:12:12] for sure.

[01:12:13] The,

[01:12:13] the thing that I found myself chuckling about was as I'm getting ready to photograph them,

[01:12:17] I'm like,

[01:12:18] wait,

[01:12:19] didn't buddy head write something about how the dude from saves a day has a huge mouth.

[01:12:22] And I'm like the whole entire time I'm like,

[01:12:24] is his mouth that big?

[01:12:25] His mouth is a little bit.

[01:12:27] Is that ring a bell?

[01:12:29] I don't remember that,

[01:12:30] but that doesn't mean anything.

[01:12:32] A dude has a huge mouth.

[01:12:33] A lot of times I'll look back at stuff and not even remember writing it.

[01:12:36] Honestly,

[01:12:37] we wrote a lot of stuff in a short amount of period of time.

[01:12:40] Yeah.

[01:12:40] But that again,

[01:12:41] a thing that stuck with me was the buddy head riff,

[01:12:44] or at least what I remember the buddy head riff being,

[01:12:46] I'm like,

[01:12:46] his mouth is,

[01:12:46] it's not too bad.

[01:12:48] I don't think he could put his own fist in his mouth.

[01:12:50] I don't know.

[01:12:51] We shall see.

[01:12:52] They sound good.

[01:12:54] It was census fail when we decided to leave,

[01:12:57] I think.

[01:12:57] Yeah,

[01:12:58] that was,

[01:12:58] that was rough.

[01:12:59] I've been photographing live music for 14,

[01:13:01] 15 years now.

[01:13:02] I've seen some people have some rough nights on stage.

[01:13:05] Uh,

[01:13:05] that was one of the more uncomfortable.

[01:13:07] Yeah.

[01:13:08] I've seen them in particularly.

[01:13:10] Yeah.

[01:13:10] Yeah.

[01:13:11] What the fuck even is that?

[01:13:12] Yeah.

[01:13:13] I don't even know.

[01:13:13] They're like hard,

[01:13:14] hardcore,

[01:13:14] hardcore man.

[01:13:16] No,

[01:13:16] I think you're,

[01:13:16] I think you're thinking of shadows fall.

[01:13:19] I'm not,

[01:13:19] I'm not thinking of anything really.

[01:13:20] I'm just shooting in the dark.

[01:13:22] Yeah.

[01:13:22] I'm just going by the way the name sounds.

[01:13:24] Uh,

[01:13:24] so New Jersey emo punk thing.

[01:13:26] Uh,

[01:13:27] like,

[01:13:27] uh,

[01:13:27] if alkaline trio was a little bit harder,

[01:13:29] maybe like Bayside.

[01:13:31] Okay.

[01:13:31] I got it.

[01:13:32] Uh,

[01:13:32] but yeah,

[01:13:32] there sounds tough.

[01:13:34] Their album.

[01:13:34] Let it unfold.

[01:13:35] You was a classic at that time,

[01:13:37] like 2001 or so.

[01:13:38] Okay.

[01:13:39] Again,

[01:13:40] among the mall goth people that I was friends with.

[01:13:42] So,

[01:13:43] you know,

[01:13:43] you gotta take that with a grain of salt in certain circles.

[01:13:46] Yeah,

[01:13:46] exactly.

[01:13:47] Well,

[01:13:47] buddy,

[01:13:48] the lead singer,

[01:13:49] uh,

[01:13:49] was having a rough night though.

[01:13:51] Yeah.

[01:13:51] He was going on weird tangents about,

[01:13:54] cause it was Wednesday.

[01:13:55] It was blackout Wednesday,

[01:13:57] the day before Thanksgiving.

[01:13:58] We're all going to have to go talk with our family.

[01:14:00] No one wants to talk about politics.

[01:14:02] No one cares about that shit.

[01:14:03] It was like MAGA.

[01:14:04] No,

[01:14:05] I expected it.

[01:14:06] I thought it was going to happen.

[01:14:08] I was like really weird.

[01:14:09] Like,

[01:14:09] it's like,

[01:14:10] listen,

[01:14:10] like,

[01:14:10] I think you're expressing something that some of us,

[01:14:13] most of us can relate to on some level,

[01:14:14] but we're all a little scared of where this is going.

[01:14:19] I thought for sure it was going to happen.

[01:14:21] But in any minute,

[01:14:22] but he like brought Dan,

[01:14:23] the vocalist from a story of the year,

[01:14:26] which is another band that has a hit song with a riff that sounded too much like that refused riff.

[01:14:31] Hey,

[01:14:31] yo,

[01:14:32] that was like the era.

[01:14:33] Uh,

[01:14:33] I didn't realize until I was like looking back to like in the early two thousands,

[01:14:37] you're,

[01:14:37] if there was a band that had a hit song,

[01:14:39] they usually had a riff that was like,

[01:14:40] this is just a refuse riff,

[01:14:42] but with less,

[01:14:43] uh,

[01:14:44] distortion,

[01:14:45] more palm muting,

[01:14:46] a different key.

[01:14:47] And you're like,

[01:14:47] oh man,

[01:14:48] that really did just get face fucked to death.

[01:14:50] But anyways,

[01:14:51] it was either that refused riff or it was an at the drive-in riff.

[01:14:54] Two bands that spawned a wave of diarrhea.

[01:14:58] It's crazy.

[01:14:59] Yeah.

[01:14:59] There's just so many shit bands that say like,

[01:15:02] oh,

[01:15:02] we love refuse.

[01:15:03] And it's like,

[01:15:03] could you not though?

[01:15:04] It's weird.

[01:15:05] It's,

[01:15:06] isn't it crazy how that happens?

[01:15:07] It's like,

[01:15:08] uh,

[01:15:08] you know,

[01:15:09] uh,

[01:15:09] rage against the machine is probably another one.

[01:15:11] Like,

[01:15:11] you know,

[01:15:12] they have a couple of classic records,

[01:15:13] rage against the machine,

[01:15:14] but like every band that was highly influenced by them is probably the worst band in the world.

[01:15:19] Yeah.

[01:15:20] Or like hum,

[01:15:21] deftones,

[01:15:22] like you could,

[01:15:23] you could count them on your hands.

[01:15:24] Yeah,

[01:15:24] for sure.

[01:15:24] We're talking about being influenced by rage against the machine.

[01:15:27] I'm just saying like,

[01:15:28] I'm saying like,

[01:15:28] uh,

[01:15:29] the band hum from Chicago influenced the deftones and like million other bands were influenced

[01:15:34] then by the deftones.

[01:15:35] And it's like,

[01:15:36] there's not a lot of good bands that say they like the deftones,

[01:15:39] right?

[01:15:40] It just gets worse.

[01:15:41] Yeah.

[01:15:41] It just gets worse.

[01:15:41] It's like that meme where there's just shitting each other's mouth.

[01:15:44] And at the end,

[01:15:45] it's just like extra shitty.

[01:15:48] It's like the band chat pile from Oklahoma city.

[01:15:50] They kind of like buck that trend because like the bass player,

[01:15:53] I believe is like a huge corn fan.

[01:15:56] And he's like,

[01:15:57] uh,

[01:15:58] uh,

[01:15:58] yeah,

[01:15:58] that's just kind of like a,

[01:15:59] a part of our sound is,

[01:16:00] is really influenced by corn and none of the,

[01:16:02] no one else in the band wants to acknowledge it.

[01:16:04] But yes,

[01:16:05] they like listen to their latest record.

[01:16:07] We've all been there.

[01:16:08] We all know that.

[01:16:09] We've all been there,

[01:16:09] but actually it's like,

[01:16:10] actually,

[01:16:11] this is like the cool shit for like the first corn record.

[01:16:14] Like,

[01:16:15] Oh,

[01:16:15] and this was kind of interesting and new.

[01:16:17] And I'm like,

[01:16:18] okay,

[01:16:18] I kind of see it.

[01:16:18] But also that new chat pile record is,

[01:16:20] is like a scary,

[01:16:23] insane,

[01:16:23] heavy music.

[01:16:24] Sick.

[01:16:24] It's fucking love it.

[01:16:25] But,

[01:16:25] um,

[01:16:26] the two from census fails is having a hard time.

[01:16:29] And he started,

[01:16:30] he brought Dan out from story to year.

[01:16:32] And Dan like kind of had this look on his face that he didn't know what was going to happen.

[01:16:35] Don't do this to me,

[01:16:36] dude.

[01:16:36] Don't do this to me in front of all these nice people.

[01:16:38] I have family in the crowd.

[01:16:40] And then about 20 minutes later,

[01:16:42] we're like,

[01:16:42] okay,

[01:16:43] we can't do this anymore.

[01:16:44] Yeah.

[01:16:44] We,

[01:16:44] we sat through about four more songs and we're like,

[01:16:46] I,

[01:16:47] this is the second half of the record.

[01:16:49] The part that I don't care about.

[01:16:51] And also like,

[01:16:52] this has just become really uncomfortable.

[01:16:54] Uncomfortable.

[01:16:55] He started,

[01:16:55] he did start writing about the creepy crawl,

[01:16:57] which was kind of funny,

[01:16:58] but he was talking about playing the creepy crawl with my chemical romance.

[01:17:01] And people do talk about my chemical romance playing the creepy crawl,

[01:17:05] but they do not talk about census fail being on that bill,

[01:17:07] which was kind of the funny part.

[01:17:09] Like,

[01:17:09] Oh yeah,

[01:17:09] you were,

[01:17:10] you did play that show.

[01:17:11] It was like,

[01:17:12] uh,

[01:17:12] I felt like that guy needed just to like,

[01:17:14] uh,

[01:17:14] need a friend.

[01:17:15] You're like,

[01:17:16] this guy needs a friend.

[01:17:17] We're going to leave.

[01:17:18] This guy needs a friend.

[01:17:19] Then it's not me or him.

[01:17:20] We all know him.

[01:17:21] Yeah.

[01:17:22] To push him off a bridge.

[01:17:24] This guy's going through it.

[01:17:25] Let's get out of here.

[01:17:26] Well,

[01:17:27] I look,

[01:17:27] I,

[01:17:28] I did not want it to be like 11 PM and he's,

[01:17:32] where'd you guys go?

[01:17:33] Oh,

[01:17:33] I went home.

[01:17:33] I went home.

[01:17:34] Yeah.

[01:17:35] Cause I'm lame and old.

[01:17:37] Yeah.

[01:17:37] I'm old and boring.

[01:17:38] Well,

[01:17:38] like I texted someone,

[01:17:39] I was at that show.

[01:17:40] I'm like,

[01:17:40] did it get any weirder?

[01:17:41] And they just responded with,

[01:17:42] I hope he gets the help he needs.

[01:17:44] Oh man.

[01:17:45] Well,

[01:17:46] I'm here.

[01:17:46] If he needs help,

[01:17:47] he can reach out.

[01:17:49] We should send them the fucking India go-go page,

[01:17:52] dude.

[01:17:54] Hey,

[01:17:54] do you guys need a clear conscience?

[01:17:55] Maybe he wants to be a movie producer.

[01:17:57] Yeah.

[01:17:57] Yeah.

[01:17:58] Yeah.

[01:17:58] It's like time for a career.

[01:17:59] Yeah.

[01:18:00] Come on,

[01:18:01] buddy.

[01:18:02] Uh,

[01:18:03] well,

[01:18:03] Brian,

[01:18:03] how about you?

[01:18:04] Anything else aside from that,

[01:18:06] that,

[01:18:06] uh,

[01:18:06] rang your bell this week?

[01:18:07] Oh,

[01:18:07] just not,

[01:18:08] not too much.

[01:18:09] What else did you shoot?

[01:18:10] You photographed Suki Waterhouse at the factory,

[01:18:13] uh,

[01:18:14] Tuesday night.

[01:18:15] That show didn't sell well.

[01:18:16] Oh no.

[01:18:17] A lot of people in St.

[01:18:18] Louis wanted to see Mrs.

[01:18:19] Robert Patterson.

[01:18:20] Um,

[01:18:21] I think that new,

[01:18:21] I think that I had to explain to a coworker what Suki Waterhouse's music was like.

[01:18:26] That's so sick.

[01:18:27] And,

[01:18:27] uh,

[01:18:27] I was like,

[01:18:28] you know who Angel Olsen is?

[01:18:30] And they're like,

[01:18:30] no,

[01:18:30] I'm like,

[01:18:31] imagine every slow Angel Olsen song,

[01:18:33] but like chopped and screwed.

[01:18:34] And they're like,

[01:18:35] what?

[01:18:35] So just like really slow.

[01:18:36] I'm like,

[01:18:37] yes,

[01:18:37] like they're really interesting songs,

[01:18:39] but they're like all 70 BPM.

[01:18:42] Wild.

[01:18:43] The record,

[01:18:43] actually the records got a couple of bangers on it.

[01:18:45] There's a reason why you should probably at least like,

[01:18:48] listen to like,

[01:18:48] go on her Spotify.

[01:18:49] Like there's a couple of songs there.

[01:18:51] I'm not going to listen to them at the gym,

[01:18:53] but like I might put them on while I'm like doing dishes or something.

[01:18:56] But,

[01:18:56] uh,

[01:18:57] she has a good voice.

[01:18:58] She dresses really nice.

[01:19:00] She has,

[01:19:00] you know,

[01:19:01] she's got a vibe.

[01:19:02] Okay.

[01:19:02] She's got a good band.

[01:19:04] Um,

[01:19:04] bully was the opener though,

[01:19:06] which I think is the thing that I was most excited about.

[01:19:08] Um,

[01:19:08] I haven't seen them in a couple of years and let's see them on a tour like that.

[01:19:13] Um,

[01:19:13] it was pretty neat.

[01:19:14] Cause the first time I photographed them,

[01:19:15] they were playing a coffee house here in St.

[01:19:17] Louis to,

[01:19:17] uh,

[01:19:18] not even 40 people.

[01:19:19] And here they're opening up for,

[01:19:21] you know,

[01:19:22] Suki war house.

[01:19:23] Who's playing 3000,

[01:19:24] 4000 cap rooms.

[01:19:25] Um,

[01:19:26] unfortunately St.

[01:19:27] Louis just did not have the,

[01:19:28] the riz for Suki war house,

[01:19:30] but it was a good performance.

[01:19:31] Uh,

[01:19:31] she sounded great.

[01:19:33] I got some really great photos,

[01:19:34] but it was also just this weird thing of like,

[01:19:37] uh,

[01:19:38] Oh,

[01:19:38] this could have been like a thousand cap room.

[01:19:40] And it would have been fine.

[01:19:42] Would have sold it out.

[01:19:43] Yeah.

[01:19:43] You could have put it in the pageant was sold out.

[01:19:45] You could have put it in Delmar hall.

[01:19:46] It would have been comfy.

[01:19:47] Wouldn't have been able to take that big check.

[01:19:49] I know.

[01:19:50] Yeah.

[01:19:50] That's the trick.

[01:19:51] And if I had my druthers,

[01:19:53] I would much rather sell out a small room than have an empty big room.

[01:19:57] Oh,

[01:19:58] it's not about what you want.

[01:19:59] It's about what the,

[01:20:00] I know.

[01:20:00] I know.

[01:20:01] Oh yeah.

[01:20:03] Yeah.

[01:20:04] Ain't that always the way I've had a few promoters.

[01:20:06] Tell me stories about like,

[01:20:08] yeah,

[01:20:08] you guys can play my,

[01:20:10] the bigger room that I have access to,

[01:20:12] but no one's going to show up.

[01:20:13] Or you can play the smaller room and have a fucking barn burner for sure.

[01:20:16] And make the same amount of money.

[01:20:18] No,

[01:20:18] I want my band to be miserable.

[01:20:20] Okay.

[01:20:21] It really does feel like that.

[01:20:23] That's the choice.

[01:20:24] But yeah.

[01:20:25] Suki water house.

[01:20:26] Good tour.

[01:20:27] Uh,

[01:20:27] great live performance.

[01:20:29] Uh,

[01:20:29] I hope she decides to come back to St.

[01:20:31] Louis sometime.

[01:20:31] The last time I was there for,

[01:20:33] uh,

[01:20:33] at the factory was for,

[01:20:34] uh,

[01:20:35] King Gizzard and the lizard wizard.

[01:20:36] And that was like sold out and like fucking insane.

[01:20:38] People were losing their fucking minds over a bunch of Australian dudes playing microtonal songs.

[01:20:43] Like the fuck.

[01:20:45] Suki's just paying her dues guys.

[01:20:48] She's just paying her dues.

[01:20:49] She's,

[01:20:49] she's,

[01:20:50] she's paying her dues in the,

[01:20:51] in the,

[01:20:51] in the,

[01:20:51] the 3,200 cap rooms in the Midwest.

[01:20:54] Yeah.

[01:20:57] This is her sleeping on Florida.

[01:21:03] God damn.

[01:21:06] We still got it.

[01:21:09] You got to start somewhere,

[01:21:10] right?

[01:21:11] Fellas.

[01:21:11] Yeah.

[01:21:12] Jesus.

[01:21:13] Just cause you're bored on Thursdays.

[01:21:16] Doesn't mean to ride the home.

[01:21:17] These days you have to start at the top,

[01:21:19] bro.

[01:21:20] Fucking sick,

[01:21:21] sad world.

[01:21:21] Isn't it?

[01:21:22] Fuck.

[01:21:23] God damn.

[01:21:24] That was an uplifting talk.

[01:21:26] Boys.

[01:21:29] That sound tells me that it's time to end the,

[01:21:31] everything's fuck until next time.

[01:21:34] We'll see you guys.

[01:21:36] Yeah.

[01:21:36] So this is part of the show where we would tell people where to find us online.

[01:21:40] Let's go ahead and start with Joe.

[01:21:41] Joe,

[01:21:41] work when they find you on the old internet.

[01:21:43] I don't have a website,

[01:21:44] but American primitive does American primitive.org backslash.

[01:21:50] Fuck you.

[01:21:50] Hell yeah.

[01:21:51] Travis,

[01:21:52] how about you?

[01:21:52] I'm buddy head.com buddy head underscore on Instagram and lost Angeles,

[01:22:00] 1457 on Instagram as well.

[01:22:02] And don't forget patrion.com slash buddy head,

[01:22:04] right?

[01:22:04] That's true.

[01:22:05] Yeah.

[01:22:05] Yeah.

[01:22:05] And you can sign up for the email list so I can spam you on buddy head.com.

[01:22:09] Let's go.

[01:22:10] And that keeps you informed of all our bullshit.

[01:22:14] Awesome.

[01:22:14] Yeah.

[01:22:15] Yeah.

[01:22:15] And we,

[01:22:15] and if you join the Patreon,

[01:22:17] you get access to the discord,

[01:22:19] the discord server,

[01:22:20] which has like 3000 people on there and it's a,

[01:22:24] it's his own little world there.

[01:22:25] So yeah,

[01:22:26] that's my,

[01:22:26] that's my pitch.

[01:22:27] Brian,

[01:22:28] how about you?

[01:22:28] Hell yeah.

[01:22:29] Hell yeah.

[01:22:29] Um,

[01:22:30] yeah,

[01:22:30] you can find me on Twitter at,

[01:22:33] uh,

[01:22:33] I shot Gidi board,

[01:22:34] I S H O T G U I D B or D Instagram at a music photographer.com.

[01:22:39] I keep it simple.

[01:22:40] Uh,

[01:22:41] I have a website that's never going to be working again.

[01:22:43] It's a music photographer.com.

[01:22:45] But if you want to check out my portfolio,

[01:22:47] which is always going to be up,

[01:22:49] um,

[01:22:49] it's,

[01:22:49] uh,

[01:22:50] asshole music photographer.com.

[01:22:51] If you want to check out the last and only good music,

[01:22:53] me,

[01:22:54] a website in St.

[01:22:55] Louis to go over to the arts,

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[01:22:57] Um,

[01:22:57] I'm a mannequin pussy photos just went up the other day.

[01:23:00] Thanks to Jason green.

[01:23:02] Uh,

[01:23:02] that was a killer ass show.

[01:23:04] Please check that out.

[01:23:04] There's a lot of other good stuff.

[01:23:05] I think they're on 150 days straight of new content.

[01:23:08] People are putting in the work,

[01:23:09] uh,

[01:23:10] and,

[01:23:10] uh,

[01:23:10] reward them with your eyeball minutes.

[01:23:12] Uh,

[01:23:13] Jason.

[01:23:13] Oh yeah.

[01:23:14] Uh,

[01:23:14] you can find me online,

[01:23:15] any place there's a video crime.

[01:23:16] Chances are that's going to be me.

[01:23:17] That's blue sky and,

[01:23:19] uh,

[01:23:19] pretty much anywhere else.

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[01:23:21] whatever you can think of.

[01:23:21] Uh,

[01:23:22] you can also find the show a number of ways.

[01:23:25] My personal favorite is the telephone three,

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[01:23:51] Thanks.

[01:23:51] I hate it.

[01:23:51] It's the post show hangout where we,

[01:23:53] uh,

[01:23:54] hang out and do whatever.

[01:23:55] Usually complain about stuff.

[01:23:57] Yeah.

[01:23:57] Mostly it's mostly complaining,

[01:23:58] but,

[01:23:59] uh,

[01:23:59] if you sign up for the end of the year,

[01:24:01] which is fast approaching,

[01:24:02] you get yourself a 90 minute commentary track on a Japanese puke fetish video.

[01:24:07] Garo monster home delivery.

[01:24:10] I'm not looking forward to it,

[01:24:11] but we said we were going to do it and God damn it.

[01:24:13] We're going to,

[01:24:13] we're going to make it happen.

[01:24:14] So Merry Christmas,

[01:24:15] everyone.

[01:24:16] We put ourselves through some extreme discomfort.

[01:24:21] We're just going to puke on each other.

[01:24:24] Yeah,

[01:24:25] exactly.

[01:24:26] Good answer.

[01:24:27] Yeah.

[01:24:27] there's really no other way to say it.

[01:24:29] We're going to call up Jeff Wood of chat and see if he can,

[01:24:32] I can get you an interview.

[01:24:33] Let me know.

[01:24:34] Okay.

[01:24:35] You know what?

[01:24:36] You know,

[01:24:36] we'll talk after the show.

[01:24:37] Absolutely.

[01:24:41] Oh man.

[01:24:41] Well,

[01:24:42] as we always say at this time,

[01:24:43] namaste,

[01:24:44] good luck.

[01:24:44] Give mommy a good gut fucking 25th amendment.

[01:24:46] Now who ate all the pussy?

[01:24:48] I got nothing.

[01:24:49] Goodbye.

[01:24:49] Good night.

[01:24:50] We love you.

[01:24:50] Thanks for having us.