The Goose Was Not Valued! (feat. Caleb and June from Kill The Computer)

[00:00:00] I had a young lady come to me, she said a bowel movement came out of him as long as from her fingertips to her elbow, as big around as her forearm. She said that once it was in the toilet, they couldn't flush it down, her husband had to get a shovel!

[00:00:16] I'm Jason, that's Bryan A. With us today, co-host of the podcast Kill The Computer, a podcast about how the internet spills into the real world. First up, Caleb, a self-described gnome...

[00:01:28] Nope. A self-described noble ape-like cryptid and whimsical dullard ambling about the Pacific Northwest, who writes about football and the internet, and last but certainly not least is June, a quote, evil transsexual disinfo influencer, who also hosts the podcast Ill Conceived, and yes, works in social media at The Onion. Welcome to the show, everybody! Thank you! Hey! So glad to be here, so glad to have you with us! I am so ready, the things we're gonna talk about today, I, we, we haven't even really started talking about them, but I'm already crying!

[00:01:58] I am laughing! It's amazing, it's so amazing! It came to about Tuesday of this week, and I thought, what the hell am I gonna talk about with these two people? They're so, oh man, what am I gonna do? And then immediately, within 5-10 minutes, I was like, okay, I think I got it, I think I got it. It's just, because these stood out so much, and it just got me. Brian, have you seen any of these? You know what I'm talking about? Not, not really! Okay. Well, we're gonna start off today's What's Hot Classic, that's our first segment, with a, with a, with a Know Your Meme page.

[00:02:28] So you know it's always good. From Know Your Meme, the headline, Playing Video Games is Classist Slash Watching Video Games Discourse, according to this article, started on Twitter, and it was the user, at Corpse, Corpse Girl Ash, sure. Quote, you need to play the game to be a fan, is classist propaganda. You know, this really feels like a blue sky. Like, I, I, this feels like I've done the wrong website. It really does!

[00:03:00] And then, at SleepySheaNew, go ahead, it's the, uh... Glad people are finally opening their eyes to how classist people are when it comes to others. Watching gameplay is a form of interacting with the game. Like, no one, like, no, not everyone's gonna have the money for a PC console, never mind the game itself. So this is, this is like... It's really weird, because this feels like concern trolling. Feels like woke point five.

[00:03:27] It also feels like, it also feels like, it's being written by people that are really mad that they had a high school LAN party, and there were people that showed up there that didn't have a computer. Oh, no. So, Phil, I need to get this straight. The claim is, if, if you have a problem with people watching video games, you're classist. Watching instead of playing. Okay.

[00:03:51] So the, so the idea is that because some people can't afford the game, or they watch the full gameplay on YouTube, that somehow those people who are, have a problem with that are classist. Because, well, you have to buy and play the game to experience it. So you can't have an opinion on a game. Correct. I see. Okay. Yeah. See, this is one of those things that just reminds me that so many people live completely different lives than me.

[00:04:17] Like, this is what, like, waking up at the start of the day and being like, you know, the thing I'm really mad about is, is a discourse on playing versus watching video games. I just don't comprehend, like, how people live within this, like, type of discourse. Maybe I'm just, like, too political minded, like, too political brained in terms of, like, like, things that affect people day to day, you know? Like, actual, like, policy and politics and, like, you know, the fascism of it all.

[00:04:46] But it's like, I don't know, man. Like, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? Real problems, you mean? Yeah. Slow beef in his Let's Plays were a, you know. Classist. The downfall of Western society or whatever. Yeah. That's crazy. Absolute classism. So, this actually kind of dovetails for me with, like, the whole DoorDash discourse about, like, well, I have 15 different disabilities that I need my DoorDash every day.

[00:05:14] It has this odd, like, well, telling me I can't talk about a game unless I've played it as classist is the same, in the same vein. It's that same kind of, like, okay, you have to go touch grass at this point. Yeah, I know, like, with the DoorDash stuff, too, it's like, when people say this kind of thing, it's like, nobody, like, critiquing the Treatlerite thing. And I'm not even taking a stance here. I'm just saying this agnostically.

[00:05:40] Nobody critiquing the Treatlerite discourse or whatever, like, was including disabled people in the calculus for making fun of that. You know what I mean? No, yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. This is, like, that's a different conversation, actually. Totally. Right?

[00:05:54] I think, ultimately, my frustration with discourse around this, too, is it's ultimately meaningless because the only reason why it's, like, being talked about is, ultimately, what this is, is, like, people being worried about how other people feel about you doing something. Like, it's really, it's just, like, it's, like, the fear of, like, looking cringe or something.

[00:06:19] Like, I just, how are you worried about how you exist in this world? Like, it's just a video game. Like, is this really, like, the way that you have to consume, like, video games and media? Is it, like, being worried all the time about how other people view you for consuming that? That's crazy to me. Apparently true gamers, you know, whatever.

[00:06:43] But, uh, my favorite response to the response was, at Emile K010, just watch a playthrough. Yeah, man. Very fucking classist. Some people can't afford a YouTube. Oh, God. And, like, okay, you know what? I'm gonna take this very seriously for a minute. Like, the most serious I could. Honestly, with the way that, like, RAM prices are going, video game consoles are being, like, the prices are skyrocketing. A PS5. Oh, yeah, yeah. Prices have gone through the moon.

[00:07:12] Uh, June's defending the discourse. I'm, I'm actually, you know what? I'm taking a stand. I'm defending the discourse. Do you guys see the fucking Steam console release? Prices? That was crazy. They are expensive. Like, $1,100 without a controller? Fuck you, man. That's crazy. Doesn't even come with Mario. So, like, actually, you know what? I thought about it a little bit more. And, like, low-key, they're kinda right.

[00:07:36] Most people, especially younger people that probably don't have jobs and probably have, like, student loan debt and probably just work at, like, I don't know, Starbucks, which, you know, make decent money, but not that much, especially with other bills you might have at that young of an age. Like, that's, like, you're not gonna be able to afford a console. Like, the prices for everything, especially due to, I'm gonna pull this back to data centers, AI companies. These are the people that are making these prices for consoles to skyrocket. So, you know what?

[00:08:05] I'm defending the discourse. I'm defending it. I'm on board. But have you seen how the gamers are starting to get radicalized against AI now because of this? Yeah, yeah. Total, I don't remember their username, but I wouldn't say it anyway because they're, like, just a nasty, disgusting Nazi or whatever. But, like, they were talking about AI or whatever and was like, this is all because of, like, open AI and anthropic and yada yada. And he started the hashtag castrate Sam Altman. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Okay, dude. Let's go.

[00:08:33] The Gamer Gators are kind of, like, the Gamer Gators are your allies in this fight against AI data centers now? This is weird. Strange times. Uncomfortable. It's one of those things where it's crazy that Democrats have not leaned into this as, like, a political party because it is the most universally agreed upon position that, like, people everywhere. Not even just cities. Not even just, like, the bluest districts in the country. Like, everywhere. Everywhere people hate this shit. Everywhere.

[00:09:01] It's, like, such a layup position to be, like, a little hardline against data centers. Trump take video game. Yeah, dude. Easy peasy. Yeah. I love seeing bastards making it so you can't jack off to Stellar Blade 2. Here's a gun. You know what you have to do. The proletariat shall rise. All because of video games, too. See, okay. If you do this. It took a second, but I agree. It's classes. If you do this.

[00:09:31] We know Bloodborne 2 is coming out. Oh, shit, dude. We could have, like, a lit-in style taking over of, like, public spaces. With discourse. Bloodborne 2. One sentence. One sentence and it's over. Oh, Lord. What is to be streamed? That's why I love Brian. He just comes in with that layup out of nowhere. What the fuck? That was good, dude.

[00:10:01] Well, speaking of AI and things being ruined, SoftBank had a weird week. Yeah, dude. This is like Time Cube for finance. It is. It really is. I can't believe this is real. This is the... Because I had to double check. I'm like, okay. First of all, this comes from a post from Ed Zitron. Five-time guest on the show. Multiple-time guest on your guys' show. Ed's a mensch. I love him so much. And I'm like, okay.

[00:10:30] This is coming from Ed. This has to be real, right? But he does include in his post a link to it. So it's apparently legit. So Ed posting here at edzitron.com, by the way. Those of you not on Blue Sky, join now and follow Ed. SoftBank's investor presentation is one of the greatest things ever made. I've been thinking about it all day. These are the real... Yes, by the way. Confirmed. Oh, I know.

[00:10:56] These are the real slides shown in a speech where Masayoshi Son said he wouldn't retire for at least another decade. The goose stuff is truly demented. Bravo. And he includes images from the slide deck. And they are totally out of this world. Here's a few of them from the post itself. These are all AI-generated images. Of course they are. Of course they are. Psychotic, dude. It's a goose with its insides being a factory.

[00:11:26] It's this internal mechanism pointing to the factory like we couldn't see that. Okay. But then the goose eggs that are coming out all say ASI, which is their term for artificial intelligence, artificial something intelligence. It's in the deck. But it says the true source of value. Golden egg factory inside the goose. What you see are the eggs. What produces them is the factory itself. Which is, of course, inside the goose. Yeah. Okay. The next slide. Next slide.

[00:11:56] The goose standing in front of the field of golden eggs, which no longer say ASI on them, by the way. It says market capitalization equals egg value plus goose value. Slide 47, which comes earlier in the deck. Shareholder value equals three eggs. Goose was not valued. Goose was not valued. Goose value, zero question mark.

[00:12:28] Dude, I have tears in my eyes. And then my favorite slide. Yes. It's an X. Do not lay eggs. Three. Three. Then an arrow. 74. Increase equals 71. And then the following slide. The goose raised its wings in triumph. It was the goose that created value. Goose value, 71, dude.

[00:12:56] I don't like this version of Monster Rancher. No. No. This is the greatest thing ever made. Not to go back a second, but I cannot get over the market capitalization equals egg value plus goose value. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. That's right. Oh, I didn't do that. I have a question for Masayoshi. And that is what typically happens to eggs? Trump take eggs. Trump take eggs? This is, wait.

[00:13:26] This is the golden egg Trump egg documentary. Yes. That's it. That's it. Oh, did you guys see the Melania documentary? No. There's a... It's the... Don't. It's the worst. It's like a fucking fever dream. It's not even like bad, like bad funny. It's just terrible. But there is a scene that comes out of fucking nowhere where she's like... She presents Trump with a golden egg. And it's the most surreal.

[00:13:56] I felt like I was in danger. Do you ever get that? Like, sudden, like... Oh, no. Like, Serengeti pray feeling. Like, something bad is happening. And I should, like... I had to fight or fight. Watching Melania present Trump with a golden egg. It was like half the country's on fire. And, like, you know, all this shit is going on. He's just like... Very good egg, you know? And it's just the worst fucking thing. That's like... That's sick. Oh, God.

[00:14:23] This is 90 minutes of watching the bathroom handle jiggle. It really wasn't much different. Like, there's like... The only thing that we learned about her... Because, like, she... If you know anything about Melania, she actually does a pretty sympathetic backstory. But it goes into none of it for whatever reason. Instead, the only thing that you learn about her is that she... Her favorite song is Billie Jean. And she sings it in the car. Okay? Very, very surreal. She's, like, being just sort of hauled around in various black SUVs to different places.

[00:14:53] Caleb, like you said, it's not worth watching. But I think all of those weird moments were so surreal. But still, my favorite moment of that movie, still to this day, was that it was, like, filmed right around the inauguration. And in that, like, period, Trump... In this documentary, he says to the camera, Oh, Melania. She loves her little office in the East Wing doing her little duties. She loves the East Wing. And then, the movie came out...

[00:15:19] The movie came out the month he tore down the fucking East Wing. It's so good. It's so good, dude. It's so good. Oh, you like that East Wing, do you? I always felt like Melania was kind of like Bjork for people that grew up with above-ground pools. I can imagine her saying, like, Sometimes I like to look at television.

[00:15:47] She's watching television at one point. Now I need to find that Bjork bit where she says that and just dub them over. It's going to be great. Oh, Lord. She's learning about the golden goose. The golden eggs. It is the goose that creates value. Donald, have you heard about this goose? It was the goose that creates value. Do not play it. Yeah, this actually kind of presentation does feel spiritually like Eastern European to me. You know what I mean?

[00:16:17] Yeah. Especially if you get to, like, page 10 on the actual one. It just says, in a very strange manner, Bring brain computer to life. And then an image of a brain with a computer as the right hemisphere. And then it says, 16 years ago. What is that? Burn. And then the next slide is a little kid standing in front of, like, these little toy robots. It says, coexistence with intelligent robots. And then also, 16 years ago.

[00:16:45] What the hell are we talking about? None of this makes any sense, dude. I think this is, like, the most prime example. Like, I don't know who published this. I think it's an op-ed. I don't know if you guys saw the piece that came out a couple of months ago that was titled something like, Your CEO is Suffering from AI Psychosis. Is that, like, Taylor Renz, maybe? No, I don't think it was. I think it was wired, but I cannot remember at this point. It was somewhere. But it's basically about how, because, like, these are AI-generated.

[00:17:14] And that first image in particular, when it has the goose with ASI on it and the internal mechanism pointing at the factory inside the goose, it's like, this just sort of looks like tung tung tung sahur, like, AI-generated TikTok videos. I don't know if you've seen those. Yes. Oh, yeah. They're terrible. Yeah, they're the fucking worst. They make me question, like, reality itself. And that, like, it sort of, like, reminds me of that in a way. And, like, I feel like this is just, like, such a prime example of a CEO is, like, we have to use AI.

[00:17:44] It's the fucking best. It's, like, there's so much, like, the golden egg is, like, AI or something. And he's, like, this is, everyone loves this. Everyone loves looking at this fucking slop, like, this meaningless garbage. I work at a nonprofit, and there is currently a war between the lunch pail rank-and-file people and senior leadership, because senior leadership wants to, like, force AI into everything we do.

[00:18:11] And it's, like, we don't even have data sets that are that big, even if we wanted to make an argument for it. It's just, like, why are we doing this? And, like, one of the guys tried to explain it to me. He's, like, or you could just talk to me. Why do we need to, like, have, like, chat GPT or Claw get invested in, like, have everything we do, like, again, it ain't that deep. Yeah.

[00:18:36] But what if your tasks took twice as long and cost thousands of dollars a month? And you had to correct it every single time. Yeah. So, the other night, one of my best friends from high school was in town, and we caught up a little bit. We talked. We chatted. He works in a specific tech company, and he was telling me about the dynamic of this tech

[00:19:04] company that he works in, where they're very, it's, they're sort of leaning heavy into AI usage, and he was talking about how one of the, I believe it's, like, the department of the AI division at this company was talking about how, yeah, it's, like, oh, yeah, AI, our AI only gets things wrong 10% of the time, and it's, like, okay, wait, that's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot. And he pointed that out. He was, like, then, to this guy, he was, like, 10%'s a lot, and then the guy was, like,

[00:19:34] well, you know, if we have another AI agent, like, double-checking it, like, at the same time, it drops down to 2%. Jesus Christ. And it's, like, wait, so you have to have, like, two agents, and it's still 2% wrong all of the time? That's fucking, this is, I don't know. That's an average. That's an average. It's an average. And that's just putting aside the fact that it could be hallucinating. Like, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know. They might not understand that goose, or that eggs are not the value here. It's the goose. They don't get it. Exactly right.

[00:20:04] Well, speaking of people that don't get it, the paper in the UK. An opinion piece by Will Gore, managing editor at the iPaper. First of all, the managing editor dropping in the op-eds page. Okay. The headline, I'm a man, and the sight of other men topless in the heat offends me deeply. The managing editor felt this strongly that he had to actually cross over into the editorial section to do this. Yeah, he had to be like, you know what?

[00:20:34] Screw this. I'm actually a newsman, but I have to say this. This is... I gotta take a stand here. The subhead, we may be basking in an extreme heat wave, and in the UK they absolutely are. But let's get one thing straight, gentlemen. It's never appropriate to take off your shirt in public. Ever. Ever? Okay. Ever. Ever. I hope... I don't know where this is going, but I hope that this is some weird pseudo-woke argument where it's in solidarity for women.

[00:21:01] They have to wear bras and tops to cover up boobs. Why do men afford the luxury to have their shirts off? I hope that's where it's going, but I don't think it is. No, sadly, it's not. This is one of my favorite opening paragraphs. I just gotta go for it. It's hot. You're sweating. An ice lolly and a hand fan... Fuck. An ice lolly and a hand fan just won't cut it. Jesus Christ.

[00:21:28] Your hand rises to your collar and you undo a button or two. Maybe you think... Already, why is this written like a gay fan fiction? What are we doing? I'm already assaging my notes. Essentially. By a fan means chubbed up. I'm chubbed. I'm chubbed up. I'm like, alright, British. Alright, guvna. What do we do next? We need the chub rating as we go through this article. Maybe you think the shirt could just come off. Stop right there!

[00:21:56] We may be basking in an extreme heat way, but let's get one thing straight, gentlemen. It's never appropriate to take your shirt off in public, ever. There are broadly two types of men who fail to follow this advice. Again, I think he's about to talk about his type. First, there are the buff gym bunnies, who are desperate to peacock at passersby in parks and gardens. These are the guys with six-packs or something akin to it, who usually consign their pitiful strutting to their health clubs, but who like to whip off their tops in public at the first hint of sun.

[00:22:25] They might... They flex a peck, much as another man might raise an eyebrow. They delight in glistening oil, even at a children's park. What are we doing? Just come out as gay! Like, that's fine. It's 2026. Like, it's fine to, like, think about men in this way. It's not, like, bad. No sex, please, we're British! Even at a children's party, they'll be joining in with a football and waving their shirt around their head when they score a goal.

[00:22:54] Each, in modern parlance, thinks he's him. On the other hand, there is the man that should, on the face of it, have no obvious aesthetic claim to semi-nudity, and yet whose natural state appears to be just that. They are often rotund, as seen on football terraces, or droopy. Like the inside of a sausage, they are best encased, and yet refuse to believe it, whatever the weather. Okay, you fucking coward. So I wasn't gonna do this until he started making fun of me, personally. Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah.

[00:23:24] But since he did, I googled it, and they're complaining about 95 degrees Fahrenheit right now. That's the extreme heat wave. 95, dude? Come on. Yeah, it's, like, going to be, it's that every year, like, in every part of the United States. 95 degrees is not the same everywhere. I'm gonna give a little slight concession here, because, Caleb, you live in the Pacific Northwest. My brother used to live in Portland, and I remember visiting him one time and realized,

[00:23:51] that, like, a 73 degree day in Portland is not the same as a 73 degree day here in St. Louis. And, like, I could never dress comfortable the entire time I was there. I was, like, sweating. I was either sweating or freezing. So I understand, like, some of that might be relative to certain elements of the climate there. But also, yeah, 95 degrees, like, come on. Yeah, to be fair, also, I don't think a lot of people in the UK have air conditioning. They've just not. That's a big one. Yeah.

[00:24:21] As far as I'm aware, they, like, genuinely don't know what that is. We are a little dry. I will say, I lived in St. Louis for a year during a corn sweat dome, which I still don't quite understand what that is. But it was the worst week of my life. So, you know. We had that, like, a year ago. The corn sweat dome. But, yeah. Oh, geez. Yeah. Sounds like the worst day at the county fair. The corn sweat dome. Sorry. The butter cow is melting.

[00:24:50] This is wild, though, to be like, you know, it's hot. It's hotter than it's ever been, which, to be fair, it's the hottest it's ever been in Europe. I think just in modern history, like, recorded history. And he's, this guy, he acknowledges that. And he's like, you know what people can't do? Find relief. People should suffer. Yeah. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it wrong for saying it's only 95. He's still more wrong than me. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's so wrong.

[00:25:18] It's, like, the one thing I have learned, you know, I've never been to the UK, but I've studied. I'm a scholar of the oddities of this people, of this region. And the thing I know about them more than anything else is that they love following the rules. Whenever someone breaks a rule that's self-imposed or, like, general society rule, like, they will target you. You will be punished for breaking a rule. And that rule can just be, like, playing a violin in public. Like, I saw a video.

[00:25:47] I think about it all the time when I think of British people, because every single time I think about British people, it's them being punished for breaking a mild rule that's not that big of a deal. There was, like, the street performer a couple years back just playing, like, I think it was, like, the cello or violin or something like that in the street. Or it was just some instrument. And some older woman comes up to her and she's like, do you have a... Are you allowed to be doing this? Does the state... Does the government know? Does the local government municipality know that you're doing this? Do they know you're here performing in public?

[00:26:16] And it's like, Jesus Christ. You hit, like, 50 years old in the UK and you have to follow every rule. It's so fucking crazy. It continues on, talking about skin cancer and yada yada yada. But I think the end here is probably my favorite part. So, fellas, I know it's tempting to flash the flesh, but it's not good for you and it's not good for anyone else. If you want attention, go and see your mum or a tailor. The rule is simple. Sun comes out.

[00:26:47] Nips stay in. You'll thank me in the long run. Okay, that's kind of a banger line. What? Are you what? Nips in for the king. Dicks out for Rame. Nips in for the king. Fair. You know what? Fair. Okay. I'll give you that one. Yes. The quorum above all else. That's right. Do British people... Like, sorry I'm harping on British people, but they deserve it. But, like, do they genuinely have nothing else, like, going on?

[00:27:16] After colonialism, they just kind of fell off. Yeah. They're like, okay, we just shot our foot off doing Brexit. Now we just have to, like, keep self-mutilating. Our last thing we want to leave you with, we always like to leave people with a little something to play around with while you listen to the rest of the episode. This here was a little discovery I found. Just kind of dicking around, looking about, talking about Quake. We love Quake. But someone, some mad genius over on GitHub, released CSS Quake.

[00:27:46] Now, for those of you who didn't do web design in the late 90s, early 2000s, CSS is a cascading style sheet. It is a text file that tells your browser what to display. Well, this mad person, who goes by the name of AgustinLopoly, posted this. This is a port of id Software's Quake that renders the worlds as real HTML slash CSS through poly-CSS

[00:28:13] without a WebGL or Canvas renderer. It processes original Quake data into browser-ready files, JSON files, image assets, and render bundles, then runs the game in TypeScript. So, without downloading anything, you can go to CSSQuake.com and play the entirety of id Software's Quake, at least the first episode. I think you can get to the end of the shareware. That's crazy. It's fantastic.

[00:28:42] That's pretty fucking badass, dude. I really fuck with that. I love when there's cool things on the internet. There's not a lot of that these days. I know. You know what this reminds me of? I don't really know why. It's not really that similar, but do you guys remember? I think it was 2014 or 2015, maybe? The button. Do you guys remember that button? The Reddit thing? Do you know what I'm talking about? Off the top of my head, I can't think of it. What is it? It was some sort of project.

[00:29:08] I think the homepage for it was a Reddit community, but basically what this was was every single person... I wish I knew how technology worked a bit better in this way. But basically, if you had a computer, you had one ability. You had one use to click this button. This button is constantly counting down from 60 seconds. And if it gets to zero, it just ends.

[00:29:36] If someone anywhere in the world would click the button, it would reset to 60 seconds again. And it was sort of this weird community where people would sort of talk about the button and talk about making sure the button could go on forever and that the button would never end. And then there was a splinter community of people that wanted the button to die. They were like, we have to get it to zero. We have to see what happens when it gets to zero. And then there was different colors.

[00:30:06] Whenever you would click the button, I think it was like 10 second increments, you would get a different color. So if you clicked above 50 seconds, you would get like blue. If it was 40 to 50, it was like green and it would like go down. And I think like the bottom 10 was red. So there was like tiers of like risk factor that you would have. So there was like red button pressers. There was like green red button or green button pressers. So there was like so much meta to this game. Wow. It just, yeah, I'm probably not explaining it very well.

[00:30:36] The last time I thought about it was probably 2015. But just these like weird utilities like community. I don't know if, sorry, what you were talking about, the quake is super community driven. But this was like a crazy example of like sort of a community game. And it like spawned these different communities. It was so fun. It was amazing. Were you guys, none of you guys know about this? I was not on Reddit at the time. So I guess this is due to me. No, no. This is like trying to get rid of all the nukes in Metal Gear Solid 5. Yeah. Oh. Yeah.

[00:31:05] Yeah, no, this shit was fun. I was, I was really active in there. I think, I don't remember what color button press I was, but I think I was orange, which was like. Well, I do love that Reddit was like kind of reinvented racism to like button racism because I do remember that there was like interfaction fighting for, because the button, as I recall, I do remember a little bit about this.

[00:31:28] And like there were the different factions and then like it only lasted like what, like a month or two or something like that, which I thought it was a couple of months. Yeah. I think it was a couple of months. Yeah. And they were like those lazy fucking no good green, whatever. The greens. The greens. Fell asleep on the job or whatever. They wasted the press. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, there was like, I think every color had their own like Splinter Cell Reddit community page. So there was like button purple.

[00:31:57] There was button blue, green, yellow, orange, red. And then there were the grays, which were the people that didn't want to press the button. They wanted the button to end, but they were still like involved in the game. I don't know. Yeah. I think, yeah. So the Reddit community, I guess it's still here. It's called r slash the button. If you want to look, it's locked now. So it's sort of just like a historical document at this point of like Reddit from 11 years ago with like weird button racism.

[00:32:25] It was a fascinating experiment that I had a lot of fun with. Damn. Now check that out. If you're interested in like weird community online things. I wish we had more things like this. This was so fun. Well, here's a weird thing that we're not going to like. That's right. It's crypto scam of the week time. Yay. You're listening to 48 minutes of dogs barking the podcast. And now it's time for the crypto scam of the week. Yay. I love rug pulls. Oh, this is even better. This from the block.

[00:32:55] Notorious Jared from Subway. MEV bot drained for roughly 7.5 million in a counter MEV honeypot. So this requires a little inside baseball. Translate that for me. So basically, an MEV bot is a bot that would look at chain data and would see that someone was perhaps going to make a big buy and front run it by using more gas to get ahead of it.

[00:33:24] So someone would think like, oh, I'm going to get, you know, 100 coins and the MEV bot would see that coming down the blockchain, spend a shit ton of gas to front run it. So the MEV bot gets that buy and then the person that was trying to get it ends up getting fucked. So they thought they were going to get 100 for whatever they were putting in. They end up getting a fraction of that. I see.

[00:33:46] So it used to be when I would do a lot more research for this stuff, I would look at the like Explorer for tokens and Subway from Jared was always like a top 10 wallet for a lot of like weird scammy shit. So an attacker wound up getting in between Jared from Subway.eth, which fucking A, by tricking its automated training system into approving attacker controlled contracts.

[00:34:16] Mess upon mess upon mess. So the bot is, as Brian said, a pretty high ranker. It's pretty well known. But I love that this article includes its name, a reference to disgraced Subway spokesman and convicted child sex trafficker, Jared Fogle. Thank you. Thank you for explaining that.

[00:34:34] It's a slight call out to its practice of sandwich attacks in which an automated trading bot places trades on both sides of a transaction in order to artificially extract more value, which is called maximum extractable value or MEV. So somebody messed with this bot and took its funds, basically. It was able to drain 7 million plus from a wallet tied to that bot.

[00:35:00] According to this, it says the drain was first flagged on Saturday by on-chain analyst Spectre, who pointed to a $7 million plus loss from a wallet tied to the bot. On-chain data showed the sweep ran at like 649 UTC and moved 1,474.58 wrapped Ether and 2.8 million USDC and 2 million USDT to an attacker address in a single transaction. Help, my wallet was drained by a bot.

[00:35:31] Help. Well, my bot's wallet was drained by someone. My bot was drained. My bot. Drain my bot. Oh. Don't drain my bot. Oh, no. No, Jared, no. I raised you from a pup. God. So, yeah, Blockade, which is one of the people that was investigating this, said the incident was not a phishing attack, private key compromise, or a flaw.

[00:35:57] The firm said attacker-controlled contacts induced the bot's system to grant approvals. So, whatever toxic code was introduced, it basically allowed this attacker to say, give me all your money. It's an old-fashioned stick-up. The wallet inspector. Yeah. Quite literally, yeah. But, yeah, apparently this same attacker deployed 66 counterfeit token contracts that imitated all these coins.

[00:36:26] The Weave, USDC, USDC, paired them with fake liquidity pools, and so to the bot, the routes resembled profitable opportunities it's built to find. As the headline says, it was a honeypot for this type of bot. Truly. Okay, now we're talking. Like, in the past couple weeks, we've done crypto scams that have sounded like, oh, this is very cut and dry. This right here, that's some smart shit. Personally, I think that's pretty good. It took some artistry to pull off this scam.

[00:36:55] It wasn't just like, hey, so, uh, Hawk to, uh, Peanut the Squirrel coin, rugged for 50 bucks. This is a complex one. You really have to, like, fucking lock in and understand. Like, yeah, those, this isn't some pumped-out fun type shit. No, no. Those are definitely going by the wayside. Thank God. Yeah, pumped-out fun really killed this bit, this segment.

[00:37:18] Because it used to be, like, I, out of morbid curiosity, I was unemployed during the early days of the pandemic. Nothing going on. Send it home. I was like, I want to understand, like, crypto and stocks. So I started researching. And just, like, so I could understand it. And, uh, turns out it's all bullshit. Money isn't real. It's a fake idea. The, the, like, way I understand pumped-out fun. Because for a long time I was like, why are people always buying into shit coins, meme coins?

[00:37:48] Because every single time they are just rug pulls. But then it hit me. And I, and for some reason looking on pumped-out fun is what really, like, made it click for me. It is sort of just, for everyone involved, it's just seeing, it's a game of chicken with money. They're just seeing sort of, like, who can get out at the right time to steal other people's money before they steal your money. It is, like, this really weird, elaborate game of chicken with fake assets.

[00:38:17] It is, like, so weird. And that's, like, essentially what all of pumped-out fun is. Yeah. Yeah, it just kind of took it down to its bare, cynical aspects. Because at least, you know, in 21, 22, crypto projects had, like, like a white paper. And there were ideas. And there was, like, a website, a Telegram channel. They really tried in those days. People put effort in the stuff.

[00:38:43] Like, there was, like, times where it was like, wow, I guess they kind of earned the money they scammed out of people by, like, effort at least. It was still a scam, but there was effort there. Yeah. There was just some artistry. There was some effort. And now it's just, like, it's a gamification. It's everything is fucking online betting. You know, whether or not Trump's going to say kafifi again kind of stuff. I'm all in on that, by the way. I don't know if you're in. Yeah, I'm all in on kafifi.

[00:39:12] We need a kafifi coin. I'm sure it's out there. Our main topic tonight is I wanted to talk about this weird comic series that I remember from the mid-2010s. And it ties into this larger topic that's referred to by the name gang stalking. Are either of you familiar with what gang stalking is, kind of as a baseline? Gang stalking is defined by a number of different places, but as a number of different things. But I like to think of this particular one from the R-explain-it-like-I'm-5 subreddit.

[00:39:41] What exactly is gang stalking and what about it is fact and fiction? And the top answer with 1.3 thousand upvotes here is by user Suga. Gang stalking is a particular manifestation of paranoid schizophrenia. Specifically that everybody's out to get me. The internet has enabled paranoid schizophrenics to network, sharing and reinforcing their delusion.

[00:40:05] It's resulted in a fairly standardized presentation with shared terminology and perceived tactics. The targets of gang stalking believe they're the target of a vast conspiracy. So vast that literally every person they see or talk to is a member. This conspiracy expends vast amounts of time and money to, say, beam intrusive thoughts into their heads with top-secret technology. Frame them for crimes. Break into their homes to tamper with things.

[00:40:35] And generally annoy them in extremely petty ways. For example, it's common to believe that multiple people will pass them, each saying one syllable of a slur. However, hell yes. And then this person links to the comic that I really wanted to talk about overall tonight. But yeah, Targ the Target. Targ the Target was written by one of these people who believe they're being gang stalked. A lady by the name of Eleanor White.

[00:41:04] Eleanor White, according to this PDF that she posted on her own website, the URL does have like slash mill slash mind control slash raven. So we love that. But yeah, organized stalking, a target's view. According to Eleanor White, this writer, again herself, has been an activist working to expose the crime of organized stalking for over two decades and has been in contact with other targets of organized stalking since 1996. I am a retired engineer.

[00:41:32] This booklet relates by opinions and conclusions, and readers should be aware that others may hold different opinions. Now, this goes in an excruciating detail about what organized stalking is and things like that. But this is kind of this person's brain dump of all these things. I sent the two of you a wonderful Vice documentary called The Nightmare World of Gang Stalkings. But there's an 18-minute one, and then there's the second one, Meet the Targeted Individual Community.

[00:41:59] This was about 10 years or so ago, Vice Magazine, when they were still doing good video documentaries. Some would argue that they never did, but come on, bear with me. I think they were great. I liked them a lot. Really interesting. So these people, most of them Americans, believe that they're being targeted, that they're being stalked by some ethereal, mysterious entity. There's a lot of common themes I think is really weird.

[00:42:24] If you've ever read any of these accounts, they talk a lot about how they'll be accused of pedophilia for seemingly no reason. There's the use of directed energy weapons of their brains and all that stuff. Yes, cyber stalking, hypnotic suggestion, mind control. There have been a number of Psychology Today articles about them. But the one that really gets me, and I think this is really illustrative, there is a subreddit called r slash gang stalking truth,

[00:42:55] which is a group of people who believe that gang stalking is real. And this post here where it says recording of some of my harassment about a month ago, user miserable rough 4927. I believe I am a TI. TI is their term for a targeted individual. I've been harassed for many years. They harass me based on my sexuality and sometimes call me a pedo. Again, there's a lot of pedophilia stuff in here. It happens everywhere.

[00:43:21] Other cities, public transport, where I used to work, but particularly where I live. In this recording are two people outside my house saying gay, you're gay, and I'm gay to try and annoy me. And I've heard it often and for so many years, it doesn't have an effect anymore. Yeah, like listening to Come Down. You're gay. You're gay. Everywhere I go, everyone's playing Stavbot. Yeah. Recordings of my own voice telling me that I'm gay. Let's all play along here.

[00:43:51] It's the minute-long audio here of, according to some of my harassment. Tell me if you hear I'm gay, you're gay. Can't say that I do, folks. Yep.

[00:44:19] It's just a kid talking somewhere. Yeah, that's what I hear. Just like a child. Yeah. Is this not even like a Call of Duty lobby? Like, you're not getting called gay here. I hear like crickets or frog or something. I don't know what that is. Yeah, so it's about a minute of audio clearly recorded just like outside of their home. And it's just people on the street. And they're saying this is some of my harassment. Yeah.

[00:44:48] In the post, they did say I reported it to the police and asked them to investigate why this was happening many years ago. But after interviewing my neighbors who also do it, they said they didn't come up with anything. Just so you know, I have been diagnosed mentally ill for hearing this kind of stuff. They put me on medication which I have been taking for years, but I still hear it coming from actual people, so I don't know if I believe I'm actually mentally ill. Oh, no.

[00:45:11] I played this recording to my psychiatrist, but she says it's just two people talking and she can't hear what I claim and have been diagnosed mentally ill for. I am not sure if she is telling the truth or she is in on it. Oh, there we go. There we go. Oh, boy. But no one believes me, including my family. Am I just crazy and needing medication? Or can you hear it? And I am a victim of organized harassment. Thanks for listening. And the number of people are replying in earnest. Do you have audio masked with high frequencies?

[00:45:40] You know, sorry to hear that. You know, I believe you. I recorded mine too. So the internet has broken a lot of people's brains and then also given a lot of people that have actual genuine mental problems an excuse to talk others out of getting help. Yeah, I'm looking at some of the replies here. There's like a couple that are, you know, you might want to get some more feedback here. But yeah, there's like specifically to this one. I am saying like, I believe you. I believe you. Yeah.

[00:46:10] It's like, oh, that's a shame. You know, I'm going to be optimistic, though, about this community. I haven't looked too deep. But at least there is like communities for people to like anonymously, because I feel like talking about these like feelings that you're getting gang stalked is really difficult. But I feel like the benefit of like anonymous posting online to where like you won't feel judged by people in your real life to be like, hey, this is happening. I think this is happening. Do you hear it?

[00:46:38] Is it just me or is something actually happening here? And so I think it's probably good that there are these communities. I'm sure there has been a lot of people. I'm going to push back on that. This is awful. What's going on here? I get what you're saying in theory. But there's one moderator and his tag is reptilian shapeshifters suck. This is the person running the show.

[00:47:05] He's also a mod of escaping prison planet and a bunch of other ones. So like. No. Oh, OK. So this is where my optimism. Old June has done it again. My Meyer too pure. Like in a world where you're in charge, June, this would be a good thing. I think that you're thinking of the right. You have the correct instinct. Yeah. You look at this and then you look at some of the comments and who's, you know, in charge of other users safety. It's fucking grim, dude. That is bad. Yeah.

[00:47:34] And you're 100% right. And I've seen. So I've actually seen. I've never explored this on Reddit in particular, but I've seen a lot of these types of people like gang stalk people come up on my like Instagram reels in the past where I'll just be like scrolling and there will be like the same person, the same couple of people being like I was at the gym today and there was someone watching me through the window.

[00:48:00] They were driving around in circles outside the gym, keeping track of my location. And like a lot of people in those replies, of course, because reels are like egging it on a little bit and they're like loving it. They're like, oh, wow, this is hilarious. This is great. But it's like, OK, but this person like probably needs help and is genuinely terrified. Like this isn't good. Knowing Instagram reels, they're probably giving them detailed instructions on how to remove their teeth, you know? Exactly. Your dog told me there's a radio in your tooth. Take it out.

[00:48:28] So you didn't tell me which one though. Folks. It happened again. I was wearing my Imagine Dragons hoodie walking past the middle school and I was called a homo hog sucker. The gang stalking will never stop. My aunt is a dental assistant. And the very first time years ago that I had ever heard of like the concept of gang stalking like years ago now was she ran into someone. She had a patient that was talking about like cameras being implanted in her teeth and stuff

[00:48:58] like that. And I was like, oh, my God. So it's it's a it's it's a wildly common thing, I think, for especially dental assistants to run into like dentistry. It's just interesting to me that, you know, this is a predominantly American thing. And, you know, I thought that when I was reading the notes for this, it kind of stuck that kind of stuck with me of like what materially could be the cause of this. And I don't know if it's just like because of our, you know, our history with things like

[00:49:26] MKUltra or like the inherent ontological violence of living in America and gun violence and things like that, or this sort of like cultural and economic emphasis of the individual breeding a certain sort of narcissism is just going sour. But like I don't get it like why this is it's not completely American, but I was kind of reading into that. It is almost exclusively like a Western or a U.S. thing. There are some Australian and U.K.

[00:49:56] folks like the Vice video I mentioned. There's some there's some folks from the U.K. in there as well. But yeah, they're a majority of the folks that they talk to. And then some of these things are are Americans. And I think part of it is the panopticon. Like we've kind of surrendered to the surveillance state as Americans. But I think it's also like our government has done some bad things. As you mentioned, MKUltra, it's some of it's true. So maybe all of it's true.

[00:50:19] I was one of the first photographers to document Ferguson in 2014, like the year or two after that, that was like a constant thing that people were dealing with was like people that were activists, journalists, all that was like social engineering, like targeted harassment. Like it was really like for me, it was like I didn't want to go out for a while because like

[00:50:46] it just felt like every time I checked Twitter or the time I checked like any social media or whatever, like, you know, I'm out there getting tear gassed. And like the publication I'm writing for and I'm photographing for is like getting like tons of emails from like some like coordinated Tumblr harassment shit. They're like, so what's going on? I'm like, it's people that like think posting is praxis. Oh yeah. Those people. Oh my God. Yeah.

[00:51:14] It's not untrue, but it's not true in the way they think it is. I think it's really the problem. I mean, especially like where we are today. It's like every literally Palantir has everything about every person that has ever been on the internet ever. Flock cameras. And there's, there's a lot of reasons to be paranoid. They're trying to put GoPros in the goddamn toilets. Yeah. That's only Chuck Berry. That's only Chuck Berry. He's gone now.

[00:51:41] They're not flock cameras, but you know, the ones that are like greeting citizen, this parking lot is being recorded for your sake. That was like half like two. Oh, we have those all over St. Louis now. Yeah. The thing that this particular gang stalked individual, this targeted individual, this T.I. by the name of Eleanor did, was she created using bitstrips.com, which was an old website you could use to make your own web comics, was that she made a series of

[00:52:08] comics first from the perspective of someone who was a targeted individual, called him Targ, which is just... Targs. Targs. Oh. Yeah. It says Targ is the story about a target of the growing crime called organized or group stalking. Group stalking is largely ignored by the justice systems and by public education. The writer hopes Targ will eventually have his day in court.

[00:52:33] And the comic is, you know, eight panels and it's about this person being woken up in the middle of the night. They're saying that, you know, pennies and cigarette butts were left for they were out. And then one of the panels is at work. My work has been spoiled overnight. Sometimes even my chair is taken apart, which is the inciting incident in Tim Robinson's The Chair Company, by the way. Fantastic show. Fantastic show. We love it. I love Tim. That's so good. Tim's my dog. For the second season, I'm hoping it gets one because I'm so excited.

[00:53:03] It has to. It literally has to. But then the last panel is the putting their hands to their face. Even my neighbors suddenly act as if I'm some kind of sex criminal. So that seems to be sort of like a common through line. It is. Yeah. Yeah. It's what it is, is I think that's a common symptom of OCD. But OCD leads people to like think that they might be like pedophiles or that they might have done like a sex crime all the time too. It seems to be a very common theme with different mental illnesses just across the board.

[00:53:33] It seems. Yeah. There's a PDF that Eleanor put together, which was the three different compilations of Targ comics. Yeah. I'm looking at this now. Yeah. In episode two, Targ is spit upon. Spit? What's going on? I had someone call me pedophile the other day. And I think what gets to me about the Targ comics is because they're using bit strips and because they're using this kind of... It's the facial expressions? You know what it looks like?

[00:54:02] It fucking looks like the like Snapchat bitmoji character. Yes, I think. It is. Snapchat bought this company and this used to be independent. So if you don't... Still don't know what we're talking about. If you've ever been yelled at by like a Gen X man who's like a staunch Democrat and who otherwise posts about drinking wine, like he has an emoji. Their Facebook, like they went to the school of hard knocks? Yes. Yes. Yes. CEO of the streets. Yeah. These guys. Yeah.

[00:54:32] Going to episode three, talking about waking up in the middle of the night, 2 a.m. to the second again and 3 a.m. to the second and 4 a.m. to the second for months. And the doc finds absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing. And then it breaks into... Targ hasn't yet learned about LIDA technology. LIDA, a half century old medical radio transmitter acted as a drugless sedative with a pulse rate increase that can silently keep you awake through walls.

[00:55:01] And then the last panel... The last panel kills me. It was a really old crappy photo of just Dr. Rossity and the LIDA machine. Like what the... What is this? So I first encountered Targ the Target through 4chan because they would post out of context panels or like collections of panels to like tell people they were being paranoid or something. Now episode four, a trigger warning does involve the death of an animal.

[00:55:30] Somebody cut my cat's throat and left her on my doorstep. The police often twist the complaint as to blame the victim. But episode five, one of my favorites, multiple people pass by Targ during the day. One saying stew. The other one saying pid. One saying arr. The other one saying soul. What was that about? Oh, stupid arsehole. You have a nice day too, friends. Oh man. Yeah. There's genuinely disbelief. This sucks. Oh.

[00:55:59] This sucks a lot, dude. Just on the surface, it's like kind of, you know, to... I don't even want to say on the surface it's funny because it's like just not. It's like sad. But like I wish it could be funny. It's just like whenever I see stuff like this, it's just like, man, I hope this person finds like help here. I hope so many fucking stepped in. Yeah. I did see there were only, how many episodes? 23? That's not that bad. Maybe they figured it out.

[00:56:28] Well, but then they wrote a comic from the perspective of the perpetrator. Oh my God. Peter Perp. Peter Perp. I'm so stupid. I thought Peter Perp was a separate individual. So Peter Perp. Yeah. Peter Perp is, they did a series of comics from the perspective of the perpetrator. The perpetrator being the person who gang stalks them on their character. Yes. Oh, dude. That's so awesome. Oh, this is like that only revolutions book. Yes.

[00:56:59] It's like, yeah. Mark Danielewski wrote this, right? It's no House of Leaves. It's a weird follow up to House of Leaves. This is just a very elaborate lore based story. Yeah. What's funny is that this person, again, Eleanor White, the perpetrator side is largely speculative. Okay. However, PI David Lawson's investigation of OS groups, organized stalking groups, and the

[00:57:25] observation of thousands of OS targets make the speculation here very well informed. So you and your buddies who believe they're being stalked are all agreeing that this is maybe accurate. I don't know, man. Holy shit. Yeah. There's 23 episodes of this one, too. Wow. Peter Perp, episode one. Peter Perp. I think it's episode 20. It's called A Study in Contrasts. This one's pretty fun.

[00:57:54] Below is the image of a British bombardment of Fort McHemory, Maryland, September 13th to 14th. It's the painting. This is the original Star Spangled Banner from Fort McHenry Preserved. Okay. A gathering of some 1814 defenders of Fort McHenry. A number of them died from British air bust shells, actually holding the flagstaff into the air because no mast would stay up in the heavy shrapnel. Every time a man died holding up the staff, another would immediately take his place. Francis Scott Key in his original score for the Star Spangled Banner.

[00:58:23] Now contrast all that with the crew below. And this is supposedly the crew that is doing the organized stalking. Oh, God. It is the most... It's just... It's... All right. I do not want to subscribe to this newsletter. Yeah. Not an ideal thing. I do not know what Eleanor is doing these days. Did she just like drop these comics and... I'm sort of like... I'm sorry to like... I'm sorry to like you, June. I'm fine. You're looking ahead. I'm curious. Like, I hope she's like, okay.

[00:58:53] Do you have... Have you found anything, Caleb? Like, this shouldn't be hard to figure out. She's made a series of various websites. And like the... Unfortunately, the Encyclopedia Dramatica is like the best resource to like find. Oh, boy. Yeah. Even then, like the most recent one, it seems to be dead. So we don't know as of the last... Like, I'm trying to pin that down. Six years or something like that. So... I don't know. So she was doing this for a while. A long time. Yes, unfortunately.

[00:59:23] Those of you who listened to the episode where we talked about the founding of Encyclopedia Dramatica know a lot of things that are on here are obviously satire and or jokes. The author of Targ is Eleanor White. A completely innocent, completely sane. And then that link leads to victim complex and lie. Self-proclaimed victim of organized stalking. And that link goes to stalking, which... Okay. Yeah. You know the like Wikipedia thing where like people try and like pull up a random article and see how fast it takes me to get to Hitler or whatever?

[00:59:53] Like the Encyclopedia Dramatica version of that is Chris Chan. Yeah. Okay. What's our Chris Chan number? Let's see. Crazy. Oh, well, it's okay. No shit. All right. Self-importance or whatever, probably. I don't know. I bet you it's crazy. And then crazy goes to list of insane people. List of notable insane people. Chris Chan. Yep. So three clicks from Eleanor White. I got one for drawings and then... Oh, yeah. Two. Almost immediately from drawings, I went to Chris Chan. So, yeah.

[01:00:23] Okay. I think, you know, the thing I can't help but think about is just about how mental health institutions have just been completely demolished and defunded. And there's just like quite literally nothing for so many people in this country to turn to and trust in a lot of these institutions. It's just like in the fucking gutter. And now we have the internet. Now all these people can just like post all of this different stuff to the internet. And just like we're sort of like in this constant debt spiral in the United States where nothing gets funded.

[01:00:53] People's issues just keep getting worse. We don't have like universal health care to like help take care of these people. And it just fucking sucks that Ronald Reagan. It all goes back to... Thank you. So you were talking about clicks to Chris Chan. I'm talking about policies to Ronald Reagan. How quick can we get to Ronald Reagan? And this is sort of a piece of that, I think. It's a speed run. Yeah, literally. If it wasn't for Ronald Reagan, I don't think we would have the Targ comic. Genuinely. Unironically. I completely believe that. Yeah. I can sign off on that. Yeah.

[01:01:24] I think a lot of terrible things. If it wasn't for Ronald Reagan, it would not have happened. Chris Chan. Or someone... I remember listening. Gosh, maybe it was an episode of Kill the Computer where someone was like, we need to go back to Gerald Ford. Yeah. Marcus. Marcus is preparing his takedown of Gerald Ford as we speak, actually. He's had too good for too long. Get his ass. Literally, like he... Marcus is kind of cooking, though, because like the argument is like people thought he

[01:01:53] was like nice and funny on The Simpsons. So they just ignored all the heinous shit that he did. It's like kind of true, dude. It's kind of true. Yeah. I can't wait to see this. You start with not pardoning Nixon. That's a big one. Oh my God. No kidding. Yeah. He pardoned Nixon. Yeah. There's all kinds of stuff. Do you see that thing earlier today where J.D. Vance was like, dang, isn't it crazy that Watergate took down an entire presidency? These days, that would just get a 12 hour news cycle. It's like, wow, tell on yourself a little bit today, J.D. Literally. Literally.

[01:02:23] It's like, dude, okay. You're not wrong, but you are not the person to be saying this, dude. I was going to say, of all people. Yeah. Yeah. The guy who just like talked to his wife for a prepared conversation where it looked like two strangers on a bus stop trying to like make small talk. God damn, dude. God damn. That leg touch was... Oh. Yeah. A little rough. Yeah. J.D. Vance is just dog shit, dude. God, yeah. It's like a low tax for vice president.

[01:02:53] J.D. Vance is now eyeballing real estate and lease some in Missouri, ladies and gentlemen. He's leasing a GTR and he's selling mango seed out of the White House. He's getting fabric samples sent in from across the country overnight. And the gold belly subscriptions just going nuts, you know. Let's go ahead and tell the people where to find us on the old internet. Since you are our guests, Caleb and Jude, tell us where to find yourselves on the old internet.

[01:03:22] June, do you want to do the plugs? Yeah, sure. Sure. So if you want more of Caleb and I, you can listen to our show, Kill the Computer. You can find that show pretty much anywhere that you're probably listening to this show right now. Basically, it's just a show about how internet culture sort of bleeds into the reality of politics and just everything around us in the world that we see. We talk about a lot of fun things. Our most recent episode, we talked about AlgaeGate.

[01:03:52] We talked about... Well, we're going to do the Wall Street Journal talking about those fake polymarket videos of people winning money that they found. It's so goddamn like and so fucking psychotic. Just stuff like that, you know. Killthecomputer.com, an amazing website just on its own, just for the amount of stuff you can do there. So it's pretty cool. It is. We got a blast to befriend our friend, Bea. She's our kind of community manager and built the website.

[01:04:21] She's wonderful and whipped that up for us. I cannot thank her enough for that. Yeah, she is unbelievable. Complete. Just a complete homie. I think she's probably for hire. So people out there, if you need a website that's like cool, like I think she's doing one or I don't know if this is public knowledge yet, so whatever. But I think that MLYP either has or is working on soliciting her to build him a website that

[01:04:47] looks like the Something Awful forums, which is kind of funny because it's a Something Awful podcast, whatever. Yes, it is. Yes. You know. That's awesome. MLYP. Yes. Awesome. You can listen to my other show, Ill Conceived. It's a podcast about analyzing right-wing narratives about natalism. If that sounds interesting to you, that's a pretty fun show. I do that with Josh Borman of The Worst of All Possible Worlds. And Blue Sky accounts. I know you guys are on Blue Sky. Yeah. Just birdrespector.bsky.social.

[01:05:17] I do have a really quick, sorry to continuously plug. We mentioned Ed earlier on the show. I have a podcast with him. We talk about football with a Minnesota Vikings beat writer who you may have heard of named Arif Hasan. It's a lot of fun. That is on Blue Sky at 60minutedrill.com. I haven't heard that one yet. I got to listen to that. That's amazing. So the thing was, is like we did it for like a season and it was like a pretty big, like not big success, but it was like it was well-received and we did it. And then like off-season happened and we just never really recovered.

[01:05:45] We're trying to like make it like a full thing with the things we all have other shows, other jobs, blah, blah, blah. So we're bringing it back under the umbrella of a large publication that is going to kind of syndicate it for us next season. So it's going to be a lot of fun and I'm excited about that. Awesome. I didn't realize. So is that like confirmed? I know the last time we talked about it was sort of like it's weird. Yeah. Yeah. I guess. I don't know. Ed is confident. So yeah, that's all I can say. What is he not?

[01:06:16] Yeah. Right. Get his ass. Yeah. We're still working out the details basically. Ed, what an amazing guy. How confident he is. What incredible talent. Yeah. Fuck him. Bastard. He single-handedly responsible for the announcement. I don't know if you guys saw this. Open AI is delaying their IPO for a year because of what it ended. I saw that. It's so fucking funny, dude.

[01:06:46] Fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck him. And you bastard, you ruined Sam Altman's dreams. He was just a boy. He was just a little boy from St. Louis and you ruined his dreams. How could you? It's Sammy from fucking St. Louis. I didn't know. Yeah. Him and Jack Dorsey. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's so weird. Jack Dorsey was a St. Louis guy because do you guys know Johnny Culture Dumpster Johnny? No. I don't know. I don't think so.

[01:07:11] He lives in St. Louis and used to work for whatever one of Jack Dorsey's awful companies. So. Square probably. Yeah. Yeah. Square. Like when the post-dispatch moved out of that big, beautiful building, which is not a Trump reference. It is a beautiful. It is actually a nice building. Yeah. I guess he bought it or rented it. I think they rented it. Yeah. Yeah. I only was ever in the post-dispatch building once. It was really crazy to see all of like the old school printing presses. And oh, man. Yeah.

[01:07:40] Anyways, well, weird thing to turn it into to like the digital money building. Yeah. Goofy. Anyways. So, Brian, where can they find you online? You can find me on Twitter and Blue Sky at iShotGeedyBoer, I-S-H-O-T-G-Y-D-B-O-R-D. You can also find me on Instagram at amusicphotographer. And if you want to check out my well-curated portfolio of people with their mouths open, you can go over to assholemusicphotographer.com.

[01:08:11] And if you want to check out a woefully neglected sub stack, you can go over to 8musicphotographer.substack.com. Awesome. And if you want to check out the Last and Only Good Media website in St. Louis, you can go over to theartsstl.com. Jason. Yes, sir. Oh, right. Yes. Where can I be found online? Any place. Where can we gang stalk you? No, please don't. Chances are, if there's a video crime, it's online. It's me. That's going to be Twitter, Blue Sky, et cetera.

[01:08:40] I'm not really on Twitter except to promote the show because, you know, that's the Nazi site. But I'm on Blue Sky. I'm on a bunch of other places. Letterboxd. Any place there is a video crime, chances are, that's me. V-I-D-E-O-C-R-I-M-E. You can find me on a podcast that's not this one. It is called Submitted for the Approval of the Midnight Pals. There, I play a fictionalized version of horror icon Stephen King. Seasons one and two are available for your perusal. It is hilarious. I recommend you check it out.

[01:09:09] You want to get in touch with this show in a number of ways? Please do that thing. You can give us a call, 314-246-9766. That's 314-ahoy-poo if you like to spell with your telephone. You can shoot us an email, Jason at the number 4 of the number 8 minutes of dogsbarking.com or Brian with a Y at the number 4 of the number 8 minutes of dogsbarking.com. You can support the show, patreon.com slash 48 minutes of dogs. There we have our post-show hangout called Thanks I Hate It. Caleb and June, hopefully you'll hang out for that. We're going to hang out for a little bit longer. Hell yeah. Okay. Yeah. Hell yeah.

[01:09:39] That will be available for you a couple days, maybe a week after this show originally airs. We also have our shock.jpg best of, for those of you who miss that segment of the show, still working on those. Various levels. There's various different rewards. It's all there. Patreon.com slash 48 minutes of dogs. Well, that about does it with the program. My name's Jason. That's Brian. We got Caleb and June in the cut. We always let our guests have the last words. So tonight, what are the two of you going to leave us with? Shet.

[01:10:09] Caleb, who was that algae guy? Look up the photo of the algae green water company. Oh, the Maffazio guy? John Carafo. No, I'm sorry. That is wrestling. That is WWE star Paul Bearer, if you ask me. Yeah, no, it's John Carafo. Look up John Carafo. Look up the image of him. Google John Carafo. You will love looking at him. The John Carafo re-lovolution. Yeah. Google John Carafo. I think that's his name. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at her.

[01:10:39] No, Carafo. It's Carafo. John Carafo. Look up John Carafo. Look at him. He's beautiful. He's an incredible person. He's amazing. Just one of the most perfect specimens of the years that we're living in right now. Excellent. That's what I'll leave you with. Thank you all. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.